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pcaouolte Frequent Visitor
Joined: Dec 27, 2006 Posts: 998 Location: South Lincs, UK.
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Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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M8TJT wrote: | How do you find the speeds for various road as you have done? | https://mapcreator.here.com If you sign up you can use this site to view the details that "Here" currently have for the road that you are interested in and to suggest edits to the information that they hold. _________________ Paul |
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M8TJT The Other Tired Old Man
Joined: Apr 04, 2006 Posts: 10118 Location: Bexhill, South Sussex, UK
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Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Paul. I'll have a look at that in a mo. |
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topref Pocket GPS Verifier
Joined: Sep 08, 2005 Posts: 347 Location: Carmarthenshire
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Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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Dabri wrote: | With reference to topref's routing image.
On a second test (from the same starting point, but this time to 56, Bethania Road) the 3598 kept to the main road - I wonder why.
My 2460 at least does allow me to adjust Kew Garden's default speed down to 5 mph; at which point the 2460 route ignores Kew Gardens - (sarcastic) hooray. |
Crackers innit! |
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topref Pocket GPS Verifier
Joined: Sep 08, 2005 Posts: 347 Location: Carmarthenshire
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Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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pcaouolte wrote: | That is a mapping problem.
"Here" have the average speed on that section of Bethania Road as less than 20 mph whilst the average speed for Kew Gardens is less than 30 mph. The Garmin is just calculating that Kew Gardens at 30 mph will be faster than Bethania Road at 20 mph and giving the fastest route that it can find with the data that it has available.
Edit: Actually looking at TopRefs comments above the map is probably correct and therefore the fastest route that can be calculated is probably the one offered by the Garmin. It will depend on how much time the Garmin adds for the right turns required to take the 30mph road. |
Yes, agreed but (and there's always a but) it's ridiculous because take the time it takes to leave and rejoin the same road out of the equation, the saving is miniscule.
I am doing a journey tomorrow morning which is a re-run of one I took a few weeks ago. If it does the same as the first time, I shall stop the car and take several pictures and post them on here. |
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pcaouolte Frequent Visitor
Joined: Dec 27, 2006 Posts: 998 Location: South Lincs, UK.
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 10:31 am Post subject: |
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When I tried the route using Google maps it ignores Kew Gardens and stays on Bethania Road. If I put a via point in the middle of Kew Gardens it adds 2 minutes to the journey time. This is perhaps one extra minute for each right turn.
Perhaps the Garmin is not adding enough (or any?) time for right turns. I don't have the Garmin with me to experiment at the moment. _________________ Paul |
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Privateer Pocket GPS Moderator
Joined: 30/12/2002 17:36:20 Posts: 4916 Location: Oxfordshire, England, UK
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 10:38 am Post subject: |
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Hi Paul,
pcaouolte wrote: | M8TJT wrote: | How do you find the speeds for various road as you have done? | https://mapcreator.here.com If you sign up you can use this site to view the details that "Here" currently have for the road that you are interested in and to suggest edits to the information that they hold. |
Thanks for the above information.
As a TomTom user, I used to submit map updates to TomTom MapShare Reporter however after a number of submissions (which were accurate) I had none accepted and certainly none appeared on the device's maps, so I stopped submitting on the basis that it was a waste of my time. How does MapCreator compare? Do they acknowledge your submissions and do those submissions get migrated to Garmin map updates?
Regards, _________________ Robert.
iPhone 6s Plus, iOS 14.0.1: iOS CamerAlert v2.0.7
TomTom GO Mobile iOS 2.3.1; TomTom (UK & ROI and Europe) iOS apps v1.29
Garmin Camper 770 LMT-D |
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pcaouolte Frequent Visitor
Joined: Dec 27, 2006 Posts: 998 Location: South Lincs, UK.
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 10:49 am Post subject: |
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Robert,
I have also only recently moved from TomTom to Garmin.
The first edit that I made on HERE Map Creator was on 28 March this year. Its status is still shown as Under Review. The change was a simple addition of a new exit off an existing roundabout.
You don't get any acknowledgement of your submissions but they are recorded against your account and you can see the history of them when you are logged in.
As I have not had any submission reviewed yet (6 months seems a long review queue) it may be a similar waste of time to the TomTom version. _________________ Paul |
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sussamb Pocket GPS Verifier
Joined: Mar 18, 2011 Posts: 4460 Location: West Sussex
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 11:03 am Post subject: |
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I've seen a couple I submitted included, but one I submitted for France has never been actioned. _________________ Where there's a will ... there's a way. |
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M8TJT The Other Tired Old Man
Joined: Apr 04, 2006 Posts: 10118 Location: Bexhill, South Sussex, UK
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 11:25 am Post subject: |
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sussamb wrote: | I've seen a couple I submitted included. | How long did it take suss? |
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sussamb Pocket GPS Verifier
Joined: Mar 18, 2011 Posts: 4460 Location: West Sussex
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 11:35 am Post subject: |
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One the next map update, according to the person I submitted it for. Same I think for the other but can't be sure. French one still isn't there but that was a road being built that was on the map, I suspect HERE are now leaving it as it's due for completion shortly _________________ Where there's a will ... there's a way. |
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M8TJT The Other Tired Old Man
Joined: Apr 04, 2006 Posts: 10118 Location: Bexhill, South Sussex, UK
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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But if it isn't open, you should not be routed along it. |
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Privateer Pocket GPS Moderator
Joined: 30/12/2002 17:36:20 Posts: 4916 Location: Oxfordshire, England, UK
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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TomTom MapShare Reporter and Here/Garmin Map Creator are a great concept, but it doesn't matter how good they are IF genuine submissions are never processed or incorporated into the map data.
Whilst I apprecate that submissions need to be verified to maintain map data integrity I also need to see progress to any submissions I might make.
Unfortunately if I get annoyed by lack of progress or feedback then then potentially 1,000s of other people will feel the same and thus we all miss out on improving the map data.
Regards, _________________ Robert.
iPhone 6s Plus, iOS 14.0.1: iOS CamerAlert v2.0.7
TomTom GO Mobile iOS 2.3.1; TomTom (UK & ROI and Europe) iOS apps v1.29
Garmin Camper 770 LMT-D |
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sussamb Pocket GPS Verifier
Joined: Mar 18, 2011 Posts: 4460 Location: West Sussex
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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M8TJT wrote: | But if it isn't open, you should not be routed along it. |
Well I know that ...
That's why I reported it as it was showing on HERE as open
Edit: Just checked and it is now open _________________ Where there's a will ... there's a way. |
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M8TJT The Other Tired Old Man
Joined: Apr 04, 2006 Posts: 10118 Location: Bexhill, South Sussex, UK
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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What? For real? Streetview? |
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sussamb Pocket GPS Verifier
Joined: Mar 18, 2011 Posts: 4460 Location: West Sussex
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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Streetview ... Not driven that way for a year or so _________________ Where there's a will ... there's a way. |
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