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lundavra Regular Visitor
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:15 pm Post subject: Garmin Nuvi 610T lost maps |
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I bought a Garmin Nuvi 610T today.
Got it home, put some charge in the batteries.
I had a quick play, putting in some locations.
I then ran the software updater and registration.
I have not lost my Mapsource maps, just got the basic trunk routes showing. I tried reset but there are no maps loaded - Map Info button is greyed out.
Anyone any ideas?
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swing Pocket GPS Verifier
Joined: Nov 04, 2003 Posts: 2225 Location: Bedfordshire, UK
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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Did you take a backup before you performed the update?
I suspect, however, the maps are now gone, and you'll need to return the unit for fixing.
I thought these problems were solved with the latest WebUpdater - unless you were running an earlier version of WebUpdater...
The maps cannot be downloaded (way too big, and there would be copyright issues), so without a backup, it's back to Garmin / supplier I'm afraid. _________________ Please don't be offended if I do not reply to a PM - please ask questions via the forums. |
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lundavra Regular Visitor
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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Unfortunately no!
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lundavra Regular Visitor
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:51 am Post subject: |
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I spoke to Garmijn Support this morning and they confirmed that there was a faulty batch and it would have to go back.
I have taken back and got a refund (no others in stock locally). I liked the unit so will pick up another at the weekend when I will be going near some large shops.
Is there any way of identifying whether they have the same problem and liable to lose the maps if I do a software update?
Is there a way of backing up the maps before doing an update so that they can be recovered if the same thing happens again?
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swing Pocket GPS Verifier
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:13 am Post subject: |
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I doubt you will be able to tell a good or bad unit from stock, although it may be worth waiting a couple of weeks and then buying from someone who turns over a lot of stock, thereby hopefully you will get the fixed stock.
Yes, search these forums - by connecting the unit to your PC, you can see the files on the unit, you just need to *copy* (not move) all the files on the unit onto your PC. _________________ Please don't be offended if I do not reply to a PM - please ask questions via the forums. |
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lundavra Regular Visitor
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:35 am Post subject: |
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Thanks, if I was not going away then I would waited until they restocked as that might have been fresh stock. I should be able to get a larger shop which as you say will have a quicker turnover.
Yes I could see the files using Windows Explorer but that was only after I had lost the maps. I will just backup everything.
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lundavra Regular Visitor
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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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I have got a replacement Nuvi 610T today.
Software version is 2.10 - is this liable to crash when I update or is it dependent on the unit ID.
Also it does not seem to recognising the GTM12 - the screen asks me to connect the traffic receiver to the nuvi to use Auto Tune but I have connected it!
About shows
GTM S/W version N/A
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swing Pocket GPS Verifier
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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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That's a very old software version, which I believe did suffer from a "missing traffic receiver" bug. I've no idea what caused your original unit to fail, although there are a few things you can do to minimise the risk of problems...
1. Take a backup of every file and directory. If you have a problem with the the \garmin\gpx directory, it may be corrupt. If so, backup every other directory individually, and then backup the current.gpx file from that corrupt directory. Before progressing, run a "Scan for errors" CHKDSK within Windows and clear up the corruption.
2. Do not use WebUpdater. Go to the www.garmin.com website, find the 610, and download the latest firmware for it. Run this to upgrade the firmware.
3. If you have the missing maps again, we can go through re-installing the few missing / corrupt files, but this will only work if you have backed up every single file in step 1.
Finally, that is a hell of a software version jump - was the other unit on the same earlier firmware? If so, it might be a problem that you need to run through an intermediate firmware for some reason.
Oh, and I suspect you mean GTM21, not GTM12 for a 610T. _________________ Please don't be offended if I do not reply to a PM - please ask questions via the forums. |
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lundavra Regular Visitor
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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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swing wrote: | That's a very old software version, which I believe did suffer from a "missing traffic receiver" bug. I've no idea what caused your original unit to fail, although there are a few things you can do to minimise the risk of problems...
1. Take a backup of every file and directory. If you have a problem with the the \garmin\gpx directory, it may be corrupt. If so, backup every other directory individually, and then backup the current.gpx file from that corrupt directory. Before progressing, run a "Scan for errors" CHKDSK within Windows and clear up the corruption.
2. Do not use WebUpdater. Go to the www.garmin.com website, find the 610, and download the latest firmware for it. Run this to upgrade the firmware.
3. If you have the missing maps again, we can go through re-installing the few missing / corrupt files, but this will only work if you have backed up every single file in step 1.
Finally, that is a hell of a software version jump - was the other unit on the same earlier firmware? If so, it might be a problem that you need to run through an intermediate firmware for some reason.
Oh, and I suspect you mean GTM21, not GTM12 for a 610T. |
The lead with the traffic receiver is labelled GTM12 - mini serial plug on one end.
I don't known what the original software version was on the old unit, I did not get chance to check. Powered up, seemed OK so ran WebUpdater and that is when I lost the maps.
I tried WebUpdater on this one - not intending to actually update but just check what was needed. It would not "talk" to the Nuvi 610T, Find Device found nothing. I also tried my old MapSource programme and that was not seeing the Nuvi either.
I tried filling in the contact form on Garmin Support, tried three times but screen cleared each time Send pressed and nothing sent.
I have tried sending to techsupp@garmin.com - I am travelling around this week but might find a phoen box tomorrow and give the 0808 number a call.
I might have an Internet connection Monday and Tuesday evenings.
Getting a bit fed up with Garmin!
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swing Pocket GPS Verifier
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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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Where did you purchase it from? Garmin's traffic information webpage shows that the 6xx range is only compatible with the GTM21 (which is a combined power cable / FM traffic receiver) as opposed to the GTM12, which is completely separate from the power cable. Garmin's 610T webpage explicitly states the 610T comes with a GTM21.
Even moreso, the 610T package from Garmin is a 610 with a GTM21 - anything else, and I'm not sure quite what you have bought. It's possible it's not a true Garmin dealer who has sold you a bundle cheaper. Having said that, I could be wrong, and it's exactly what one should expect from Garmin.
If the unit won't talk to your PC, which worked fine with the last unit, I would send it straight back to the retailer and get another one. _________________ Please don't be offended if I do not reply to a PM - please ask questions via the forums. |
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lundavra Regular Visitor
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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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swing wrote: | Where did you purchase it from? Garmin's traffic information webpage shows that the 6xx range is only compatible with the GTM21 (which is a combined power cable / FM traffic receiver) as opposed to the GTM12, which is completely separate from the power cable. Garmin's 610T webpage explicitly states the 610T comes with a GTM21.
Even moreso, the 610T package from Garmin is a 610 with a GTM21 - anything else, and I'm not sure quite what you have bought. It's possible it's not a true Garmin dealer who has sold you a bundle cheaper. Having said that, I could be wrong, and it's exactly what one should expect from Garmin.
If the unit won't talk to your PC, which worked fine with the last unit, I would send it straight back to the retailer and get another one. |
Just bought in Argos, I live in the Highlands so limited range available and did not want to wait for mail order as thought it would be useful to have this week.
The first one that I had must have been a GTM21 as it was integrated with the power lead. I did wonder when I opened the box today and found it different but had not specifically looked at the type number.
I will give Garmin a ring tomorrow and see if best to just return to another branch for a swap, probably be pass by one sometime in the next few days.
The box does not specify whether GTM12 or GTM21.
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swing Pocket GPS Verifier
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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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Personally, I would send it back, based on the not working with the PC, and try another one. _________________ Please don't be offended if I do not reply to a PM - please ask questions via the forums. |
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lundavra Regular Visitor
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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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Probably end up doing that but on the road early tomorrow and won't be near anywhere convenient until later in the day so will speak to Garmin first.
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lundavra Regular Visitor
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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Swapped the unit yet again today.
This one has a GTM21
As delivered the software versions were
Unit 2.60 3.80
Audio 3.20 2.30
GTM 3.70 4.10
GPS 2.80 2.90
Bluetooth 2.40 2.80
Second figure is after updating and maps not lost this time!
Not got the GTM working yet but will try again tomorrow with newer software and see if it find anything.
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swing Pocket GPS Verifier
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:14 am Post subject: |
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You may find the GTM21 takes a few days to settle down and provide traffic. You may also find you are in part of the country without good TMC signal (or even an area of the country with no signal at all), so be patient, and try it in different locations. _________________ Please don't be offended if I do not reply to a PM - please ask questions via the forums. |
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