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Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 1:22 pm Post subject:
mistersaxon wrote:
My point is that even a PND might be construed to fall under this legislation on the grounds above. If it's ok to tap away on screens that are in holders then the whole discussion here is moot because nobody hand-holds a PND or their phone whilst using a satnav app . But if the OP is correct then a PND in a holder (or a phone with satnav app) are all in the scope of this.
The fact is it doesn't. In any case, the new penalty ONLY applies to hand held phones so the £200 fine and 6 points wouldn't apply even IF touching a phone/sat nav in a cradle was illegal. _________________ Where there's a will ... there's a way.
Joined: 25/01/2003 17:12:06 Posts: 32 Location: United Kingdom
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 1:29 pm Post subject:
SO the OP is incorrect? Well good, because as I said, most satnavs need some interaction at some point, especially TomTom.
As you were, I'll go back to sleep now. _________________ <br>
Rich.
Kit: TomTom iPhone WEurope on iPhone6s+ / iPad Pro
w/ Interphone BT headset on a Honda Blackbird (should change this really - the bike, not the headset)
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 1:43 pm Post subject: Re: Why is it so hard to understanding people
In control of vehicle was used for a well publiscised case about 15 years ago where a woman was prosecuted for eating, I think a banana, at traffic lights. Both hands on the wheel, no excuse. My hands free lets me do all at a press of a button or thumbwheel on my steering wheel.
TieJustice wrote:
It's quite simple,
you may not use ANY electronic device when in control of a vehicle (driver) ( mobile phone, satnav tablets, ( if it has a screen and you have to touch it, to interact with it, this includes built into the car, and even hands free can be used against you if you are found using it in a RTA)
In control of a vehicle, any time you are not parked ( in a safe legal and convenient place)
So waiting in traffic including traffice lights is in control of a vehicle.
So as in the new driving test, includes satnav, they stop in a safe, legal, conveneant place, then set the satnav for the independent driving.
Joined: Jan 21, 2006 Posts: 114 Location: West Sussex
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 1:44 pm Post subject:
Just to say to sussamb...terrific series of replies and comments by you, really helpful. You clearly have a thorough understanding of the topic. Thank you.
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 2:31 pm Post subject: There are exemptions.
As well as the Police you may be surprised to know that radio amateurs (and CBers I suspect) can use two way radios when mobile providing the equipment is a two-way device and does not operate on any of the mobile phone frequencies.
You can read it here:http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2003/2695/regulation/2/made
There is also an exclusion if you are using the telephone or other device to call the police, fire, ambulance or other emergency service on 112 or 999 or
acting in response to a genuine emergency.
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 2:50 pm Post subject: Please be clear on the law
This site shouldn't be propagating the blur of what's legal and what is being pushed as being safe. As per previous replies, there seems to be a real lack of clarity of what level and nature of interaction with a non-handheld, cradle-mounted phone is permissable. With respect to sat nav functionality, I have also read a lot of references to "out of the 45 degree angle of driver's view" - does anyone have any idea what this means, especially in terms of actual law?
so, are you allowed to tap the screen to answer it handsfree using the in-built loudspeaker ?.... surely no different from, say, switching radio stations or operating other switches in the car
apparently and I will try and find a link, you must not touch a mobile phone, EVEN if mounted.
So pressing a screen is considered using.
However, if you press a button, say on the steering wheel that is ok.
People can also be fined for 'not in control' I think that is still 3 points.
I doubt it because that, despite the reports, is legal. The legislation is about the use of hand held phones, by definition one in a holder is not 'hand held'.
I doubt it because that, despite the reports, is legal. The legislation is about the use of hand held phones, by definition one in a holder is not 'hand held'.
I doubt it because that, despite the reports, is legal. The legislation is about the use of hand held phones, by definition one in a holder is not 'hand held'.
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