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savvy249_2
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:45 am    Post subject: Speedtrap Alert - "Risk of Mobile Camera" Reply with quote

I'm probably being really stupid here Laughing

I've only very recently started using STA, when CameraAlert stopped working on Android on my Moto phone. I like the app very much, now I've got it configured the way I want it to work for me (very configurable!!), and paid for the full version.

I don't understand the pop up alert of "Risk of Mobile Camera" vs "Mobile Camera" pop up. I could have understood if they were unverified submissions, but I downloaded the UK single file STA format file, and unticked pMobile cameras. I checked the .txt file, and there are no pMobiles in there.

I've got both Mobile speed camera and Risk of Mobile speed camera checked in Alerts section, but I'm not sure where the "Risk" comes from.

Hope someone can help explain this, please.

Thanks for looking.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you download are you unchecking the pMobile option or downloading both files?

The basic file is 'pocketgps_uk_sc.txt'
The Mobile file is 'pocketgps_uk_pmobile.txt'

In the STA Alerts page :

Mobile Cameras are listed as code 100400
Risk of Mobile Cameras are listed as codes 5 and 193

In the basic file there are no 100400 entries but there are code '5' and in the Mobile file I can only find code '5' so it looks like:

Basic file code '5' is a verified Mobile site but code '5' in the pMobile file is 'Risk of'.

In the Alerts page you do have the opportunity to activate / deactivate each type.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kremmen wrote:
When you download are you unchecking the pMobile option or downloading both files?
Thanks for replying - Yes, pMobile unchecked and only downloading the one file

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Mobile Cameras are listed as code 100400
Risk of Mobile Cameras are listed as codes 5 and 193

In the basic file there are no 100400 entries but there are code '5' and in the Mobile file I can only find code '5' so it looks like:

Basic file code '5' is a verified Mobile site but code '5' in the pMobile file is 'Risk of'.
Yes, confirmed, I can find lots of "5"s in the basic file, but no "100400"s
So, surely the "5"s in the basic file, should be "100400"s, then, as they should be verified Mobiles only? You can't have "5"s meaning two different types.

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In the Alerts page you do have the opportunity to activate / deactivate each type.
Based on the above, I don't want to de-activate the "Risk of" Alerts, as I'll stop getting the true Mobiles (falsely flagged as pMobiles)
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was unaware of '100400' being for confirmed mobiles.

This is the current code for the camera types:

Code:
switch ($type){
      case "REDSPEED":
         $type = "2";
         break;
      case "REDLIGHT":
         $type = "3";
         break;
      case "SPECS":
      case "tSPECS":
         $type = "4";
         if ($specsstatus == "START" || $specsstatus == "MIDDLE"){ $type="100010"; }
         if ($specsstatus == "END"){ $type="100011"; }
         break;
      case "EXITSPECS":
         $type="100013";
         break;
      case "MOBILE":
      case "pMOBILE":
         $type = "5";
         break;
      default: // all other/static cams
         $type = "1";
         break;   
      }


As you can see, both Mobile and pMobile are logged as type 5. Happy to change it so Mobile is 100400 and pMobile is 5 if I can get confirmation that this is the right way to do things?

The thing is, though, that Mobile cameras are always technically 'a risk of'. I'm wondering of 100400 is more for the French cameras that are technically mobile but installed in place for months at a time? As in there 'IS' a mobile camera there. As opposed to a known mobile spot where there is a CHANCE of a camera being there.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is a possible considering we have no 193 either and STA is multi country.

The various codes are shown in STA in the Alerts sub pages.

STA reports:

Fixed cameras - 1, 192
Variable - 100001
Redlight and Speed - 2, 68
Average Speed - 4, 100010, 100011, 227
Mobile - 100400
Redlight - 3
Risk of Mobile - 5, 193


Road Danger - 100526
Object on Road - 100601
Accident - 100600
Roadworks - 100602
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks MaFt,

I've no idea what the correct codes are for this, I'm just a user trying to understand it Laughing

I can appreciate your point that, essentially, these are the same "type" (Mobile), just some are unverified.

Thinking about it, if no-one confirms that Mobile, and Unverified Mobile, should be treated differently, and the codes to use, then I can handle it a different way in the STA app config.

1. Don't download the pMobile .txt file, so "5" in the main file really does means Verified Mobile.
2. Switch off "Risk of mobile speed camera" on the Alerts page of STA.
3. On the Alerts page of STA, under "Mobile speed camera", change "POI types this alert applies to" from 10040 to 5, but keep the description as "Mobile Speed Camera".
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@Kremmen
Sorry, I missed your post just before my last one.

Checking my pocketgps_uk_sc.txt file, I also note that there are no 100001 cameras in the database.

When I used to use Camera Alert, I'm sure I got alerts for "Fixed Variable", but does this mean that there are no Variable cameras in the database any more? or am I misunderstanding the categories/types again?

@MaFt
Looking at your code, apart from the "cases" identified, all others default to type 1 - so does that, indeed, mean there are no Variable cameras? Or is there another identifier to go with Static cameras, that identifies them as "Variable"?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can assure you that variable cameras do work.

I pass them every weekend on the M4.


Found one :

This is a variable camera on the M4.

---------------------------------------------------------

X,Y,Type,Speed,DirType,Direction

-0.75919,51.4836,1,0,1,42

---------------------------------------------------------

So for the PGPSW implementation a speed of zero = variable.

I've just played my saved dashcam footage passing that camera and it just announces "Variable Speed Camera"
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, thanks for that. I didn't realise that the zero meant it would announce as variable.
So, in STA, we don't need to set the Variable Camera Alert as On. It is counted as a static camera but with variable speed.
Thanks for looking and explaining that.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 7:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Speedtrap Alert - "Risk of Mobile Camera" Reply with quote

savvy249_2 wrote:

I don't understand the pop up alert of "Risk of Mobile Camera" vs "Mobile Camera" pop up.


Typically, type 5 (mobile speed camera) means a location where you can meet it quite often, but not always. So, I decided to name it "risk of mobile camera".

You can rename it in the app settings ("Alerts" section). The app speaks and displays what you write.

"Mobile camera" points come from real time data. If you click cyan round button at the bottom-right and report mobile camera then it becomes available to other users, but it has limited life time (3 hours). If someone else receives such a point while it is alive, it means that highly likely there is a real camera, and the app considers it as "mobile speed camera".
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaFt wrote:
I was unaware of '100400' being for confirmed mobiles.

This is the current code for the camera types:

Code:
switch ($type){
      case "REDSPEED":
         $type = "2";
         break;
      case "REDLIGHT":
         $type = "3";
         break;
      case "SPECS":
      case "tSPECS":
         $type = "4";
         if ($specsstatus == "START" || $specsstatus == "MIDDLE"){ $type="100010"; }
         if ($specsstatus == "END"){ $type="100011"; }
         break;
      case "EXITSPECS":
         $type="100013";
         break;
      case "MOBILE":
      case "pMOBILE":
         $type = "5";
         break;
      default: // all other/static cams
         $type = "1";
         break;   
      }



if "MOBILE" means that mobile camera is there almost every day and "pMOBILE" means that someone saw a camera in this location once or twice, then I'd suggest to change the code above as

Code:

...

      case "MOBILE":
         $type = "100400";
         break;
      case "pMOBILE":
         $type = "5";
         break;

...

and STA will distinguish mobiles and pMobiles.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@Leo_A
Thanks for the explanation of how the 2 types are intended to work in STA.
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