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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been a driver since before boats were invented, but I've had three insurance claims. The first was something like 45 years ago when a "taking without consent, no licence, no insurance" person bent my car beyond mobility, the second was when someone similar did the same to my daughter in my car and the third was as recent as 11 years ago when a deer charged my headlights at 70mph in pitch black darkness.

Should I get a screen dump of the above post and take up a career defending speeders using it as evidence to get them off?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

An instructor advising you drive a few MPH over the limit? Why?

1) He should not be an instructor.
2) Get that in writing for when when the fine arrives in the post.

Was this the type of test where the examiner stands on the side of the road or sits behind and possibly can't see the speedo that close because speeding is speeding, and is illegal, end of.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mhart wrote:
On the test (mod 2, pursuit)

Must pay more attention, K !!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dales wrote:
mhart wrote:
On the test (mod 2, pursuit)

Must pay more attention, K !!
I suppose he passed because the pursuing examiner couldn't catch him?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suppose that the advice was based on the fact that speedos always over read by a few percent.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The test was about 45 mins, on a mix of roads but favouring the faster ones, with the examiner following on his own motorcycle and giving directions by radio.

The instructor advised that where road conditions permitted the speed limit to be safely achieved, I should travel a couple of mph over, not under. However, there was a clear implication from the context of the conversation that this was for the test, not for riding afterwards/ongoing.

Clearly different examiners have subtle differences in priority when examining a candidate. I'm speculating, but perhaps the riding style that I was advised to use suggested confidence/capability in handling a high performance vehicle*, outweighing a strict interpretation of a 30.000mph limit. I would also have thought that not all examiners would take this view, applying the limit strictly. So, perhaps this is a 'local thing'?

Ironically, when I was preparing for the test, I spent a lot of time on various bike forums and it seems that the most common single reason for failure was excessive speed.

* The motorcycle I used for the test had a 0-60 time approximately HALF that of a Lamborghini Countach LP400. Imagine sticking L plates on one of those and taking your test!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

M8TJT wrote:
I suppose that the advice was based on the fact that speedos always over read by a few percent.


That's probably the best explanation. If I see the instructor again I will ask him.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The examiner must also have taken this into consideration as well, unless he had a calibrated speedo (always a possibility). And it is quite difficult to measure the exact speed of a vehicle you are following even when you factor in the inaccuracies of the speedo.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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* The motorcycle I used for the test had a 0-60 time approximately HALF that of a Lamborghini Countach LP400. Imagine sticking L plates on one of those and taking your test!

Oh. I thought learners were limited to two-wheeled sewing machines.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DennisN wrote:
I thought learners were limited to two-wheeled sewing machines.


The rules are complicated. Before you are allowed to ride anything, you need to do a days training "CBT" and then you can ride around on a 125cc machine with 'L' plates "sewing machine".

There are a number of tests that you can take, all entitling you to different power machines.

A test on a 125cc will only allow you to ride up to a 125cc machine, but you can bin the 'L' plates, ride on a motorway, and get slightly cheaper insurance.
An A2 category requires that you practice (under supervision) on a machine that is at least 395cc and between 20kW and 35kW engine power. After passing the test, you are restricted to similar power machines.
An A category (unrestricted) licence requires that you practice (under supervision) on a machine that is at least 595cc and at least 40kW engine power. After a pass, you can ride whatever you like.

The Suzuki that I passed my test on does 0-60 in 3.6 seconds!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many years ago (perhaps that is the clue) my bike examiner said to me before the test started, "I've just failed the last person for riding too slow. Bikes are for making progress and not for sitting behind traffic".

Jump forward to two years ago when my son was taking his 125cc test. The examiner was double booked (due to a colleague being off ill) but decided to take both riders for the test at the same time.

The examiner instructed the other rider to lead, he would follow and my son should shadow them until it was his time to be in front.

The first rider went through a 20MPH zone at 25MPH, the examiner followed and my son shadowed them.

At the end of the tests, the examiner failed them both for speeding.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AliOnHols wrote:
The examiner instructed the other rider to lead, he would follow and my son should shadow them until it was his time to be in front.

The first rider went through a 20MPH zone at 25MPH, the examiner followed and my son shadowed them.


So your son, following, could not have gone faster than the examiner. Your examiner wanted it on record that he personally broke the law?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was more aggrieved that my son was failed when, in theory, he hadn't even started his test.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2016 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mhart wrote:


On the test (mod 2, pursuit) I spent a good 70%+ of the route 'a couple of mph over' and there is absolutely no way that the examiner could not have noticed.

Result? A pass, no minor errors, and a comment from the examiner "That is the best demonstration ride I've seen for several months".

Sometimes things are not as straightforward as one might expect.

Maybe your instructor knew your speed was over reading by more than 2mph.
As the examiner was not on your bike how would he know?

As long as you are consistent most examiners will accept that their speed is reading slightly different to yours.
On my bike I had the speedo recalibrated Its electronic so it was easy to get sorted. However as IAM NO. I frequently come across riders who do 35 in 30 zone and 65 in NSLs on motorways and dual carriageways. If they insist they are travelling at the limit I will ride along side them and have a look. Its a good job many don't have Pinocchio syndrome they would never get their visor shut Shocked
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