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K13ehr
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 11:15 am    Post subject: "Premium" Bridge Height POI Reply with quote

I'm just updating my POIs and noticed we have bridge heights in there now, but has premium in red next to each of them, I assume we need to pay for them, but how much and how do we pay.

How accurate are they.

Do we have a list of narrow roads too, I couldn't find any but equally of importance I would think.

I drive a camper, and it's amazing how many 6'6'' or 7'6'' roads there appear to be, but some are way wider than that along their entire length, when we go through in the car.

then of course there are the 7'6'' except for access signs, elastic roads perhaps. Confused Confused

Cheers Kev.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 12:27 pm    Post subject: Re: POI Reply with quote

K13ehr wrote:
I'm just updating my POIs and noticed we have bridge heights in there now, but has premium in red next to each of them, I assume we need to pay for them, but how much and how do we pay.
It is part of the Premium Service that is available if you subscribe to the Speed Camera Database.

One subscription, currently on special offer at £16.99, gives access to both sets of data.

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How accurate are they.
They are verified before inclusion.

K13ehr wrote:
Do we have a list of narrow roads too, I couldn't find any but equally of importance I would think.
Not currently.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe we could make a start on gathering data for narrow roads, I'm sure the trucking fraternity would find it useful along with camper and caravan users, and probably others who I can't think of right now.

Cheers Kev.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The annoying thing is, it's already there!

TeleAtlas collect it and TomTom already use it, in their "Truck" maps and "Work" software.

All it needs is for TT to recognise the huge sales boost they could get from caravan and van owners, if they made it more widely available
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hypothetically Wink Wink

If the data got into the public domain, would it be copyright, as surely you cannot copyright a lat/long figure, and would it work on a std TT 1
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's Copyright - they've done the work and have the right to protection. Same as the pgpsw camera database.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

K13ehr wrote:
hypothetically Wink Wink

If the data got into the public domain, would it be copyright, as surely you cannot copyright a lat/long figure, and would it work on a std TT 1


the coordinates are not copyrighted. the database as a whole is. just like you cannot copyright a word but a book is copyrighted. as is using a section of said book (or database) without express permission / license.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is one other point to consider though, the TomTom doesn't have an Avoid POI option so it won't work a route out to avoid low bridges/ narrow roads etc it can only warn you as you approach the location.

The Work or Truck maps in conjunction with the correct application will work out a route avoiding obstructions based on vehicle weight and dimensions which is why it attracts a premium price - Mike
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's only the same as the London Congestion zone or other toll roads/areas. I think every TT already has the ability to avoid those, so adding low bridge or narrow road avoidance would be a cinch for them to do.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's more like adding 20 congestion zones. One for each height, and the software for user to input their height/width and the updates to only avoid certain heights and not just any low bridge.

Most users don't need to be aware of low bridges and hence it is a premium feature and comes at a price as it's a specialist market and primarily business users / companies will need and therefore pay.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not fair, sulking now
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

K13ehr wrote:
Not fair, sulking now

How so, not fair?

I'm a whitevanman and I don't do deliveries for free. They don't do low bridges/narrow roads for free. Beer isn't free. I don't expect you do whatever you do for nothing either. It's the way the world moves onwards and upwards.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 2:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was anyone asking for it for free?
People have paid for their SatNav and probably wouldn't mind paying a bit more for that feature, although those who've paid maybe £200+ for a high-end model might justifiably expect it to be included.

I'm sure it would be worth the manufacturers while to make it EASIER to get, rather than (for example) TomTom's "Truck maps or "Work" system, which seem to be almost kept secret!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you re-read my post DennisN, the mention of free isn't there, my "not fair" referred to the fact that we have to pay through the nose for everything from Tom tom, and if we want full functionality we have to go for a commercial system, I am not a business, so cannot afford to pay for that service.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends on what you buy - if you want the PGPSW premium POIs then they cost either £16.99 or £0, depending on whether you already have the cameras. Not a lot even for a non-commercial user, but they don't provide active avoidance and depend on user input for comprehensiveness.

Providing active avoidance seems a different scale of things. As MaFt says
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It's more like adding 20 congestion zones. One for each height, and the software for user to input their height/width and the updates to only avoid certain heights and not just any low bridge.
A much bigger implementation job and therefore more investment for a specialist (but small) demand. In fact, with Navigon, if the Truck option is purchased as an extra Exclamation , another major, function has to be 'forfeited', presumably because of memory/process demands.
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