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Scarecrow
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 9:40 pm    Post subject: Swiss cameras Reply with quote

I know that Swiss camera positions are not included in the Eur camera files, and I understand the reason why this is.

Looking at the database information, it shows that there are details held for 42 different cameras in Switzerland, but I cannot find a database of Swiss cameras for download and use on a Garmin Nuvi.

Or am I just not looking in the right place?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The cameras are collected but not available in ANY database.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Besides being illegal.
What are the penalties for getting caught having the Swiss speed camera POI`s on you satnav device?
Likewise I understand having the German ones is also illegal, what are the penalties for getting caught having those?

I doubt I`d burn in hell for eternity for having them, but my Curiosity made me wonder how severe the penalties are being caught in posession of said POI`s

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The German ones aren't illegal. The police don't like it and may take action but they are not strictly illegal.

Swiss authorities take it quite seriously. There are reports of fines and impounded vehicles.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PaulB2005 wrote:
The German ones aren't illegal. The police don't like it and may take a toon but they are not strictly illegal.

I stand corrected, my info as to their status goes back some time
PaulB2005 wrote:
Swiss authorities take it quite seriously. There are reports of fines and impounded vehicles.

Impounding of vehicles ............... Eeekkkk Shocked
I`d best hide the Zumo while riding over there, or plumb it into the luggage cases
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TBH from Personal experience and that of family members my impression is that our continental cousins play on the general lack of foreign language skills of the English. Coupled with being pulled by intimidating cops on a foreign motorway fines are dished out and paid too easily by the road side.

There seems to be mixed information about Germany. Some sources state it varies from region to region but Switzerland are serious about road safety. Speeding is a very serious crime and they gave out the first fine of over 1 million dollars in august. However the fine isn't calculated on the Crome but the persons wealth. See http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-10960230
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you look at the spec sheet for the 9100 it says that TT speedcams are preloaded for all the countries except Switzerland and Germany
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

theripper wrote:
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If you look at the spec sheet for the 9100 it says that TT speedcams are preloaded for all the countries except Switzerland and Germany


From http://www.germany-tourism.co.uk/EGB/practical_information/driving_in_germany_13602.htm

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It is against the law for any driver to use or to carry a device which can interfere, predict or detect the location of any official traffic monitoring device, including and especially mobile or static speed cameras. The standard fine for this offence is €75 (and 4 points if you have a German Drivers Licence).

GPS or sat navs which give warnings about fixed speed camera locations are not permitted either, this function must be deactivated before the navigation system can used.


Hmm. From what i'd been told the law varied from region to region and wasn't strongly enforced in Germany anyway.

ETA: Simalar comments above have been repeated in several recent documents including one from the AA.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try SCDB.info, EU speed cams including Swiss.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doesn't help if you're going to get the sat nav confiscated on the border though, emsig Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What if they're "deactivated" though?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think we may be going back on old ground, but I'm pretty sure the Swiss regulations forbid them to be on the unit in any form.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wazza_G wrote:
What if they're "deactivated" though?

Nope, as far as Swiss Police are concerned, if your device has POI data for Swiss cameras installed, activated or otherwise then you're in deep doo-dooh hence why we removed them.

However, where Germany is concerned, the issue is still far from clear and we are reliably told that the Police have shown no interest in making this an issue, no reports of any fines or Police interest in SatNavs for this reason at all. If that changes then we will review our inclusion of Germany data.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the Swiss Department of the Environment, Transport, Energy and Communications (Eidgenössisches Departement für Umwelt, Verkehr, Energie und Kommunikation UVEK), se this document.

Basically, the device must not CONTAIN any details of speed camera or other traffic controls on Swiss roads.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The way it's worded is quite Gestapo like IMO.
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