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krispyduck
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 2:10 pm    Post subject: True "Electronic Compass"? Reply with quote

Many TomTom ads now specify "electronic compass" amongst the GPS features. Does anyone know if that is a 'true' compass i.e. that will work when stationary (presumably by detecting magnetic field direction) or does it simply work by tracking a change in position?

My existing Go 300 often gets confused about orientation, especially in slow-moving traffic queues so I'm assuming that definitely doesn't have it.

Anyone know which models (if any) have a genuine compass feature?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The SatMap active 10 has a true compass within it, but this is not really suitable for in car use, it can be used this way but lacks any form of routing or navigation instructions. This product uses OS mapping and is really best suited to walking etc.
The normal car unit simply derive heading from the GPS data and as you have seen only work reliably at speed - Mike
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Mike, I suspected as much. I guess I was looking for the 'clincher' reason to upgrade to a 920 ;)
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With the 920 you get a Gyro type system which will help the position accuracy when the GPS position data is poor, typically tunnels etc, but no electronic compass AFAIK - Mike
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has it got real gyros?
Real spinning things?
Does it make going round corners harder? Laughing
(serious question, but couldn't stop myself turning it into a gag...)
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy_P2002 wrote:
Has it got real gyros?
Real spinning things?
I asked the same questions a while back but got no serious answers, the best one suggested the unit probably employs an accelerometer similar to the chipset found in the Nintendo WII hand controller - so no moving parts, no problems with corners Wink - Mike
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy_P2002 wrote:
Has it got real gyros? Real spinning things?


They are gyros but probably not the type of gyro you are thinking of...

They now have microelectromechanical Little tiny gyros made of silicon. There are also micro machined accelerometers available.

Accelerometers are used in cars to fire the airbags if a deceleration of 50 G is experienced. I think they are also used in the ESP stability controls on cars.

You can see a picture of how small these parts are here.

Not sure exactly which ones TomTom et al use but that's the technology from what I can tell.

Pretty cool stuff...
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

could it be a fluxgate compass??? It;s no joke, They use them in lifeboats all the time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluxgate_compass
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Skippy wrote:

You can see a picture of how small these parts are here


Is that a picture of the inside of a TomTom, complete with all the "bugs"? Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 3:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy_P2002 wrote:
Skippy wrote:

You can see a picture of how small these parts are here


Is that a picture of the inside of a TomTom, complete with all the "bugs"? Laughing


Laughing No, the bugs in the TomTom units are bigger than that and there are more of them. Wink
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