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quite aside from the ability of the speed gun to register the aircraft speed, the aircraft is capable of detecting a radar lock on, even from a speed gun, the weapons and defence systems are designed detect even a very small radar and are very sensitive
Joined: Feb 07, 2006 Posts: 616 Location: Midlothian
Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 10:35 am Post subject:
GPS_fan wrote:
Those other popular uniformed people (traffic wardens) seem to work on a commission basis these days but I see a few potential problems. For example, if a traffic officer is attending a serious accident, he/she will be unable to earn any commission for the duration of that incident
Yes, but think of all the defects there must be on all those crashed cars.......ticket heaven. _________________ Tommo...
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 10:46 am Post subject:
Skippy wrote:
Quite aside from this, the RADAR units will only record up to a particular maximum speed. I would presume that the aircraft would have been travelling at well over 200 MPH so they gun would have probably discounted the speed as out of range and not displayed anything.
Remember the "test" they did on Top Gear? The Gatso refused to flash anything over about 160 MPH. That said, there was a biker done for 176 or thereabouts by a laser so maybe the max speed varies depending on the device type?
All this is presuming that the original Tornado vs Police story is anything but an urban legend...
I think you are right. There certainly will be a maximum speed with Gatsos and any fixed radar, as they rely on the Doppler effect. If the subject is travelling so fast that the electronics can't compute, then there will be no reading. A hand held device can pan round in the hand of the operator, but to record a Tornado going past, it would need to be close and the operator would need to be quick on the trigger. Personally I think it is a load of rubbish, but I'm open to persuasion. _________________ Tommo...
Joined: Jan 04, 2007 Posts: 2789 Location: Hampshire, UK
Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 10:48 am Post subject:
999tommo wrote:
Yes, but think of all the defects there must be on all those crashed cars.......ticket heaven.
very true - so you would concentrate on car defects instead of trying to get traffic moving again or an injured motorist so that you could top up your salary
...and there was me thinking you were a good guy, now you're showing your true colours (fluorescent green )
I think you're in a no-win situation _________________ Andy
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Joined: Feb 07, 2006 Posts: 616 Location: Midlothian
Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 11:07 am Post subject:
GPS_fan wrote:
999tommo wrote:
Yes, but think of all the defects there must be on all those crashed cars.......ticket heaven.
very true - so you would concentrate on car defects instead of trying to get traffic moving again or an injured motorist so that you could top up your salary
...and there was me thinking you were a good guy, now you're showing your true colours (fluorescent green )
I think you're in a no-win situation
Corrupt officers don't make for good P.R.
Just a small comparison between us and foreign Police, to let you know how lucky you are with us..........
We have a scheme in relation to antisocial behaviour by drivers, really designed to combat the street racer type. If a car is seen being driven in a socially unacceptable manner, the driver is stopped and given an ASBO warning. This means that if he/she is stopped again in similar circumstances within 12 months, either in that car or any other, their car is taken from them and they have to pay the recovery and storage fees to get it back. Even if the car they were driving on the first occasion is stopped being driven by somebody else in similar circumstances, it can be seized.
Yesterday I stopped a Polish man, driving like a loon and checks revealed this was the second time since April, so I seized his car. He was frantically trying to take his stereo, speakers, sub-woofer and various parts of trim from the car before it was towed. I asked him why and he said, in Poland if your car is taken by Police, it is completely stripped when you get it back !!
Presumably the Polish Police make up the shortfall in their wages by selling confiscated gear on Ebay _________________ Tommo...
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 12:25 pm Post subject:
The trouble is that even if police aren't corrupt, all the while there is a bonus scheme rather than flat salary they are likely to be suspected of it and be even more unpopular than they are already _________________ Andy
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Just a small comparison between us and foreign Police, to let you know how lucky you are with us..........
We have a scheme in relation to antisocial behaviour by drivers, really designed to combat the street racer type. If a car is seen being driven in a socially unacceptable manner, the driver is stopped and given an ASBO warning. This means that if he/she is stopped again in similar circumstances within 12 months, either in that car or any other, their car is taken from them and they have to pay the recovery and storage fees to get it back.
Haven't heard of this one!
Is this a Scottish law, or something i missed?
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Even if the car they were driving on the first occasion is stopped being driven by somebody else in similar circumstances, it can be seized.
I presume that refers to the same owner but different driver, not a car sold on! _________________ TomTom Go 60
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Joined: Feb 07, 2006 Posts: 616 Location: Midlothian
Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 10:50 am Post subject:
GJF wrote:
Haven't heard of this one!
Is this a Scottish law, or something i missed?
It is a national scheme, with an entry being marked on the PNC (Police National Computer) so anyone who checks out the person or the car, will be aware of the marker, no matter what part of the country they are in.
GJF wrote:
I presume that refers to the same owner but different driver, not a car sold on!
Yes, if the Police can be satisfied that the current driver was not the owner or driver at the time of thie previous incident, then instead of getting the car seized, they will just be given their first ASBO warning.
It is possible to get it wrong, so there is an appeal process to get the charges reimbursed, similar to the system operated under Section 165a of the Road Traffic Act, in respect of seizing vehicles driven without insurance or valid licence. _________________ Tommo...
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 5:15 pm Post subject:
GPS_fan wrote:
Do police officers really remember Section 123xyz of ABC Act?
They don't remember everything, obviously. But as a Traffic Officer, I have to remember my 'bread and butter' acts and sections. I deal with it every day after all.
I'm sure you would remember procedure names or whatever you have in your own job. _________________ Tommo...
Joined: Jan 04, 2007 Posts: 2789 Location: Hampshire, UK
Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:34 pm Post subject:
999tommo wrote:
I'm sure you would remember procedure names or whatever you have in your own job.
Yep - I write most of the procedures, so I'm rather more intimate than I'd like to be with most.
...but my memory isn't what it used to be because I don't exercise my brain as much as I once did _________________ Andy
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Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 14892 Location: Keynsham
Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 12:02 am Post subject:
GPS_fan wrote:
I write most of the procedures
Aaah - Happy days!! Reminds me of why I accepted Voluntary redundancy and early retirement - all those Mission Statements and Stakeholders and Acronyms hidden under the reception desk - SAMBA = Smile And Make'em Be Appy. After I became a happy self employed whitevanman, I had a job for a while delivering computers to branches of a certain big bank. Behind the counter to help set them up, I saw the walls inside, at the cashiers desks, absolutely plastered with this sort of junk that the customers couldn't see.
I suppose Tommo has them etched on the inside of his hat brim and under his sunshade. And secret messages like calling for a PNC check on DennisN means "Give us an impressive Act, Section and Paragraph to clobber the beggar with, please." _________________ Dennis
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 12:21 am Post subject:
DennisN wrote:
I suppose Tommo has them etched on the inside of his hat brim and under his sunshade. And secret messages like calling for a PNC check on DennisN means "Give us an impressive Act, Section and Paragraph to clobber the beggar with, please."
Not etched, just written in that security pen that only shows up under ultra-violet light, then the riff-raff in the back can't see my secret phrase book..
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