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Joined: Jan 04, 2007 Posts: 2789 Location: Hampshire, UK
Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 1:29 pm Post subject:
When I took my driving test xx years ago, the examiner who tested me walked behind the car as I was reversing into a parking space (not a clever move, especially when a car has L plates!) - is this behaviour the reason why they wear high-visibility vests these days
If he'd failed me, my feet might have slipped on the pedals afterwards _________________ Andy
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Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 14893 Location: Keynsham
Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 6:43 pm Post subject:
Oldboy wrote:
You forgot the favourite rural pet hate, horses.
When we come across a horse, Vera now has learned my mantra and says it for me (but doesn't approve of my saying it) - "Get your ***** horse off the ***** road and into a ***** field and don't ***** give me a ***** wave of thanks because I don't like ***** horses and if you can't control the ***** animal without me slowing down, you shouldn't be on the ***** road with it!"
Yes, GPS_fan it really is all the other ***** drivers who cause me such grief. _________________ Dennis
Joined: Nov 18, 2004 Posts: 242 Location: Wrexhaml, UK
Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:28 pm Post subject:
Why is someone interested that motorcycles may Escape,
The camera that take your photo from behind, I don't know anyone in a car that been done that way since, all you got to do is get two people that says they can't remember who was driving at the time, it was me or him and up to now Everyone that said this has got away with it. _________________ TomTom Go 700,
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Why is someone interested that motorcycles may Escape,
The principle of the camera system is to slow people down. And as much as we all don't appreciate being caught by a camera, any system to slow, catch, or remove serial speeders from our roads is always welcome. Motorcyclist don't just get involved in accidents, they do occasionally cause them too.
Motorcyclist are among the fastest and the the most vulnerable road users and therfore the most important to educate. With somthing so inconspicuous and yet so fast, if like you they have learnd that by riding a motorcycle you can get away with it then I'm sure we'll be scraping you of a road need us soon! _________________ Dom
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Joined: 24/06/2003 00:22:12 Posts: 2946 Location: Escaped to the Antipodies! 36.83°S 174.75°E
Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 11:27 pm Post subject:
Oh, that's great. mostdom is telling us that motorcycles are dangerous now.
If people have a problem with bikes then that's fine, we're not the most lovable road users out there but don't go thinking we can do what we like with impunity because it isn't true.
The vast majority of cameras are REAR FACING. Furthermore, most bikers wear distinctive protective gear and don't let other people ride their machines so we can't claim that we "can't remember" who was riding and get away with being photographed as car drivers do. _________________ Gone fishing!
Joined: Feb 07, 2006 Posts: 616 Location: Midlothian
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:49 am Post subject:
Skippy wrote:
Oh, that's great. mostdom is telling us that motorcycles are dangerous now.
They ARE dangerous. Mostdom is not saying that all motorcyclists ride dangerously. He is saying thay that by their very nature they place the rider in an abnormally high position of vulnerability than the average car or van driver. Therefore any effrorts to reduce the speed of motorists (bikers included) should be welcomed by bikers as it reduces the chances of them being seriously injured or killed.
I love my job, but hate the bit when I have to knock someone's door to tell them their loved one is not coming home any more. If people stopped harping on about the cameras curtailing their freedom and thought about the bigger picture instead, far fewer people would be killed due to excessive speed and there simply wouldn't be the need for cameras.
As it is, folk can't be trusted to drive sensibly, so they have to have restrictions imposed upon them. _________________ Tommo...
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 1:27 pm Post subject:
999tommo wrote:
They ARE dangerous....Therefore any effrorts to reduce the speed of motorists (bikers included) should be welcomed by bikers as it reduces the chances of them being seriously injured or killed.
The majority of bike crashes happen because the biker misjudged a corner (single vehicle accident and often within the speed limit) or the other vehicle either didn't see the bike or misjudged the situation. Sure, there are a hard core of idiots on bikes but speed cameras are unlikely to make a difference to them either.
999tommo wrote:
If people stopped harping on about the cameras curtailing their freedom and thought about the bigger picture instead, far fewer people would be killed due to excessive speed and there simply wouldn't be the need for cameras.
It's your job to enforce the law and I respect this, so I guess you will find it difficult to see our point of view but the bigger picture is that the overall number of road deaths has not gone down since speed cameras were introduced and that Britain have some of the safest roads in the world. Speed cameras have generated a lot of revenue so perhaps you can see why people are suspicious of them. _________________ Gone fishing!
Joined: Feb 07, 2006 Posts: 616 Location: Midlothian
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 2:09 pm Post subject:
Skippy wrote:
The majority of bike crashes happen because the biker misjudged a corner (single vehicle accident and often within the speed limit) or the other vehicle either didn't see the bike or misjudged the situation.
Therefore bikes are dangerous ! Please don't get me wrong. I am an ex-biker and don't want to suggest bikes should be banned.
Skippy wrote:
It's your job to enforce the law and I respect this, so I guess you will find it difficult to see our point of view but the bigger picture is that the overall number of road deaths has not gone down since speed cameras were introduced and that Britain have some of the safest roads in the world. Speed cameras have generated a lot of revenue so perhaps you can see why people are suspicious of them.
It is a fact that a large proportion of serious / fatal accidents involve excessive or inappropriate speed for the conditions. If motorists (be it on two, four or whatever number of wheels) did not exceed the speed limit, or did not drive at inappropriate speed, the number of road deaths would reduce. Not only that but the number of people caught speeding would reduce and therefore the amount of revenue generated would be reduced.
I know it seems a simplistic response but it is factual. _________________ Tommo...
If people have a problem with bikes then that's fine, we're not the most lovable road users out there but don't go thinking we can do what we like with impunity because it isn't true.
I don't have a problem with bikes and in contrast enjoy everything about them. On the otherhand I do have a problem with the select group of bikers which as discribed earlier in this thread exceed the limits of thier machines and possably thier own skills.
I do not want to be involved in an incident where a speeding cyclist crashes into me, however if a get away with it mentality starts to creep into this motorcycling group, I will start to feel more and more vulnerable myself.
Imagine a forward facing camera in a 30 or 40 limit, and a car pulling out of a reletivly blind situation, be it parked cars, or a bend, then a motorcyclist believing he/she can blast through that camera becomes a very big hazard, not the car!
If motorcyclists and indeed car drivers wish to drive fast then by all means with my blessings, but choose those times wisely. As tommo said, untill we all behave ourselves, expect a camera or policeman on every corner. _________________ Dom
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Joined: Nov 18, 2004 Posts: 242 Location: Wrexhaml, UK
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 8:16 pm Post subject:
I live in Liverpool and only see crashes with bike, were the cars pulled out of a side road and not seen the bike at all, not speeding just the car thinking might is right.
If you want to ride a fast bike you have to take your DAS, but any fool and pass the car test in a 1000cc car then drive any cc THIS IS WRONG
Also when do you see police pulling a load of motorist driving into wales just to do checks and keep them there from 20 minutes to one hour, as this happens to bikers all the time. There loads more crap bikers have to put up with, just because they ride a bike
I believe if everyone had to pass there bike test before they can drive a car, the roads would be a lot safer.
PS I am a volvo driver _________________ TomTom Go 700,
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Joined: 14/09/2002 20:56:18 Posts: 5231 Location: Surrey, United Kingdom
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 8:33 pm Post subject:
FazerUK wrote:
I live in Liverpool and only see crashes with bike, were the cars pulled out of a side road and not seen the bike at all, not speeding just the car thinking might is right.
If you want to ride a fast bike you have to take your DAS, but any fool and pass the car test in a 1000cc car then drive any cc THIS IS WRONG
Also when do you see police pulling a load of motorist driving into wales just to do checks and keep them there from 20 minutes to one hour, as this happens to bikers all the time. There loads more crap bikers have to put up with, just because they ride a bike
I believe if everyone had to pass there bike test before they can drive a car, the roads would be a lot safer.
PS I am a volvo driver
If you only see bike accidents such as you describe, I think it's fair to say you don't see them all.
And you don't have to pass your Direct Access to ride a fast bike, either.
I passed my Direct Access in 1999 and have toured all over England and Wales and also through France, Holland, Germany, Luxembourg, Belgium, Czech Republic, Austria, Switzerland, Italy, Liechtenstein, Andorra, Spain and Portugal. Touchwood, I have never been pulled by the Police for anything. That's not to say I've never done anything wrong; I've just done stuff where it's unlikely to attract attention. _________________ Tim
Joined: Feb 01, 2006 Posts: 2543 Location: Rainham, Kent. England.
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 8:51 pm Post subject:
Quote:
I believe if everyone had to pass there bike test before they can drive a car, the roads would be a lot safer.
I tend to agree with you on this point, however it appears to me that many of those on two wheels should have to pass their test on a 1000cc bike, they would then realise what a real bike can do and maybe drive more carefully on their 50 or 100cc bikes. To me they are the worst of the lot, most bikers over about 25 years of age and with a decent bike seem to drive quite well, considering some of the stuff they have to put up with with some motorists. _________________ Formerly known as Lost_Property
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Joined: Nov 18, 2004 Posts: 242 Location: Wrexhaml, UK
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:07 am Post subject:
Its got nothing to do with bikers, its more to do with kids 17 to 25, whether its a car or bike they ride or drive too fast full stop.
But fool class all bikers the same because some kids ride too fast, so there all to blame, these same kids drive mad but never see all motorist getting classed the same, as they do with bikers _________________ TomTom Go 700,
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I can imagine how someone could class bikers all the same. it's the shinny leather stuff, makes you all look like spacemen. Then there's the zz top beards, no hang on thats a different group. And what do you keep in the pizza box, oh that's another group again.
Oh i've been a fool all these years for branding all bikers with the same handlebars! _________________ Dom
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