Waypoints in TT5

philbattenburg · Occasional Visitor Joined: Mar 20, 2004 Posts: 28

BodgerBaz,

I think that you are missing the whole point of what I am getting at.

I want to be able to use the TT5 software like a computerised road atlas, which you can with TT3. Here's an example:
Last Autumn, I went on a driving holiday in Scotland and did all my route planning as TT3 Itineraries which I worked out well in advance of the holiday and had stored in the PDAs memory all from the comfort of my armchair. I was able to devise my routes using information from other motorists who had given me some specific routes to follow (but not as TT Itinerary files) which I wished to follow either in part or as part of a larger route. I was therefore able to devise the precise routes of my choosing and I knew in advance that TT would follow my routes exactly as I had planned them, because I was able to look at the route maps as I planned them, and if TT3 went a different route between, waypoint "D" and "E" than I wished, I would insert another waypoint between "D" and "E" which would then make TomTom follow MY chosen route. I didn't ever need to use the DEMO facility of TT3 to pre-run the route, I merely studied the map of my routes as I built up the Itineraries. The pre-planning of my driving routes in Scotland did not spoil the enjoyment of my holiday at all, in fact, it enhanced it, because I was able to concentrate on driving some of the finest roads without ever needing to look at a map or getting lost once. For me, that's how TomTom should work as well as other additional SatNav uses which I also appreciate.

Scotland is about 350 miles from my home, so if I now attempt to plan routes around Northern Scotland from home in TT5, I have to have a GPS fix whilst I'm sitting in my armchair and then I have to wait unnecessarily whilst TT calculates a route to my "Point A", say, Inverness, BEFORE I can then examine my planned routes intended to commence at Inverness. If TomTom then plans part of my route between Points "D" and "E", as described above, I then have to insert another point between D and E and wait ages again for TT5 to replan the route. For me, this makes TT5 a pain in the ar$e to use and considerably reduces its usefulness. Surely, it wouldn't take a proficient computer programmer much effort to write the application so that for me, I could plan a route in the Itineraries, starting at Inverness whilst sitting in my armchair some 550miles away.

I'm sure that I'm not the only TT user who uses the old TT3 Itinerary planner in this way, there must be thousands of other motorists planning holidays abroad who like to do the same.

IMO computers should make your life easier and TT3 achieved this, but TT5 does not. It is a definite design fault with the application which reduces its usefulness. FACT.

Mullet · Frequent Visitor Joined: Dec 12, 2005 Posts: 1051

" don't think he ever mentioned that he wanted to preview the route - he said he wanted to create an itinery from his armchair using a start point. Which I agree he cannot do."

philbattenburg did say he wanted to "experiment with the itinerary planning" limited if you cannot view the route.

" Surely the point of all this is that you want to go from Point A to Point D via Points B and C. It doesn't matter where your GPS says you are - you still need to get to Point A to start your journey."

Not really by definition, thats the subtle difference I spoke of earlier, your starting point is always the gps fix, point A is always either a waypoint or destination from that starting point.

" And while we're at it, whatever do you want to run a demo for in the first place? If you carefully setup your route itinery, then setup your waypoints for your preferred route why not let that expensive software work the rest out for you?"

Usually I dont, but I can see an advantage of viewing the POIs on an unfamiliar route and maybe modify the route accordingly.

" I can't see the point of running the demo personally unless you want to drive through your route as a dress rehersal!! Seems to take some of the adventure out of it somehow."

HGV and low bridges would be one such adventure.

When all said and done TT is a driving aid and as such everyone has the opportunity to use it however they feel

linknet · Frequent Visitor Joined: May 05, 2005 Posts: 872

philbattenburg · Occasional Visitor Joined: Mar 20, 2004 Posts: 28

philbattenburg · Occasional Visitor Joined: Mar 20, 2004 Posts: 28

OK lads, to further demonstrate my point. Can anyone please send me a TomTom 5 Itinerary which takes me completely around the M25 circuit, in either direction, starting from any junction you like and finishing at the same junction, which I can view as a planned route map without my having a GPS fix which would also give me directions to your chosen point of departure?

linknet · Frequent Visitor Joined: May 05, 2005 Posts: 872

Phil

philbattenburg · Occasional Visitor Joined: Mar 20, 2004 Posts: 28

peterc10 · Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 1:52 pm Post subject:

OK I tried it too (on a windows HP) and after I hit "done" in itinery planning I got the message "navigate there now". If I hit yes then I had exactly the same problem, "witing for GPS signal". However if I hit "no" it saved the itineray but did not actually calculate the route. Is that correct?

Can you save more than one itineray this way or if you try it again will it overwrite your waypoints as I think it will?

linknet · Frequent Visitor Joined: May 05, 2005 Posts: 872

EasyD · Occasional Visitor Joined: Jan 06, 2006 Posts: 1

The workaround kicks much a**! That was always a pain not being able to plan without a valid signal.

Robin2 · Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 8:35 pm Post subject:

The workaround mentioned in Lutz Bendlin's bug list at the beginning of the TomTom forum enables you to plan an itinerary off line from any start point you choose, with a large number of waypoints. You can try it out and if you are satisfied you can save it for later use. It takes about 5 or 10 seconds to set it up once you get used to it, and I use it frequently. I have just completed a 400 mile journey today which I planned and tested in my armchair yesterday
Robin
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Buffy Beagle · Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 10:48 am Post subject:

Robin2 · Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 12:39 pm Post subject:

Try the all in one forum - this one is for TomTom Navigator (using PDA orphone)
Robin
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Trevor1234 · Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:01 am Post subject:

Hi philbattenburg
Before my touring holiday in France I planned all the excursion from the comfort of my arm chair. The advanced planning option done it perfectly and I saved each journey in the Itinery folder. When In France it all worked great.
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