PCPSW Speed Camera Database is LESS reliable

JonnyW · Occasional Visitor Joined: Sep 16, 2005 Posts: 39

I have been using the PGPSW Speed Camera database for a few months now and I have found several cameras which have been REMOVED from the database when the GATSO's are STILL PRESENT.

Obviously this is a little concerning as this morning, I spotted a GATSO at the last minute - luckily I was not speeding - and the GATSO that WAS on the AUGUST database has been removed from the SEPTEMBER database.

I friend suggested the police are using SatNav in the Traffic Patrol Cars are using the PGPSW Speed Camera databases and informing PGPSW that a camera has been removed when in fact it is still present.

Are there any safeguards in place to prevent this? Could the police simply find a "high-revenue" camera and have it removed feom the database by emailing the administrators and telling them it has been moved of decomissioned?

I have a temporary database which I ADD cameras to and email PGPSW before the end of the month of the new locations but I'm wondering if the police are doing the OPPOSITE???

Darren · Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:48 pm Post subject:

As a former Traffic Officer I reckon I'm qualified to comment. If you think Police Officers either a. have any interest in ruining our database or b. have the time to bother then you're mistaken! Your 'friend' is talking cr*p.

Surrey Police have GO's in all their Traffic and Area cars and use our database to protect their licences, believe it or not they get prosecuted if they get caught the same as you or I and worse they get disciplined on top of the 3 points and fine so an accurate database is in everyone's interests.

However, whilst we have safeguards in place it is impossible to verify each addition/request for deletion and so mistaked happen. Even the commercial databases suffer in this regard.
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Tim Buxton · Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 3:10 pm Post subject:

patr · Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 3:20 pm Post subject:

Spot on Tim

27 speeding policemen in our area, number prosecuted or given points/fine = 0.

Similar story in Nottingham, North Wales and I suspect all over the country.

Methinks Darren is talking cr*p.

alix776 · Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 4:25 pm Post subject:

if you lookat the apco rules police officers can exceed the speed limit where THE OFFICER deams it safe there are two sides to every story the officers may have been reponding to call where blues and two would have alerted and criminal goings. if you look at the police drivers hand book and try doing a running commentry while your driver to the standard in the book. I have tried and got 3 miles before I gave up. at the end of the police drivers are human they make mistakes like everyone else. I've seen what these guys have to deal with a 3 in the morning and it aint nice.
as darren says just because the driver hasn't been done in court or gor three points doesn't mean the driver hasn't been punished
personally I can't see the police subverting our database its not in there interests we have a checking proceedure but as darren has said we can't manually verify everycamera manually and mistakes do happen not only with our database but all databases

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iancjc · Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 4:45 pm Post subject:

sharpy · Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 4:55 pm Post subject:

As a serving Traffic Officer i can confirm what Darren says. When i activate a safety camera i am served with the NIP`s and then have to submit a report to justify why i was exceeding the speed limit. This can be checked against in-car video to corroborate why i was exceeding the limit.
As for getting cameras removed from the database Laughing Out Loud

I`m too busy with paperwork !!!!!

Tim Buxton · Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 5:00 pm Post subject:

Alex's point was to try to ensure that this didn't descend into a 'Oh, and remember that other copper who got off' type thread. And I owe Darren a partial apology, too. The 160mph speeder did get prosecuted, he was let off by an inept judge.

All of which takes nothing away from the joint opinion of the Moderators who have posted in this thread so far that the police would not be concerned with feeding misinformation in respect of the $afety camera database.

I appreciate that I started the diverse debate but if, from now on, the debate could be confined to the original subject then it would be greatly appreciated.

Tim

Darren · Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 5:32 pm Post subject:

Oldie

PAUL-R-S · Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:12 pm Post subject:

i noticed a couple of cameras today that wsnt on the data base.

how can i add them to the database so next month they will be included ?

Oldie · Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 7:48 am Post subject:

shrubies · Occasional Visitor Joined: Apr 24, 2005 Posts: 34

I have notice some cameras have been removed and these are mobile one which might come back again. Personal I would prefer the camera and not removed, and to know that there might be a camera around the corner even if it has been removed from the site.

One question does each camera get it own unique ID, if so can I combine all the old database file and make up for the ones that have gone missing my self.

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