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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 7:19 pm    Post subject: current road speed limit help Reply with quote

Alight guys ive got a pda running navigation software and ive also installed the speed camera database on it but i was wondering do u lot know of any programs that will tell you the current speed limit of the road your on?

PDA is a mio 168 rebranded as a medion
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The question has been asked before, and from memory I think the answer was, No.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 10:14 am    Post subject: PPC Overspeed Warning Reply with quote

Hi Webmonkeyuk! I'm running NavnGo on a Mio168RS. NavnGo has an Overspeed Warning annunciation - it knows the current speed limit on all roads on the Israel map. Seems to work fine but there is no manual input.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 1:34 pm    Post subject: Re: current road speed limit help Reply with quote

It's a tricky one. I don't think anyone has done it because it would be difficult to keep track of the speed limits on so many roads when they change quite often. There is often no hard and fast rule about what the speed limits are.

What if your Sat Nav said the road was 40 when it had recently been rezoned as a 30 and you got nicked? You'd be pretty annoyed at it. Confused :x
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah the best way is just to take more notice of the speed limit signs, then you'll always know the speed limit!

If you are one of these people who say there aren't enough speed limit signs, it's probably because you don't see them. They are there, some people just seem to have trouble seeing road signs........ probably too busy talking on their mobile or smoking a fag.

Best course of action is to take your advanced driving test and become a member of the IAM. Then you won't need the speed camera database either because you won't be driving at stupid speeds.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you are one of these people who say there aren't enough speed limit signs, it's probably because you don't see them.


I think the speed limit should be painted on the road. Lots of people don't see the speed limit signs because they are looking where they are going, not at the myriad of signs that festoon the roadways these days.

As for IAM drivers not having to worry about speed cameras, don't make me laugh. Every "advanced" driver I have met thinks it's perfectly reasonable to exceed the speed limit under the right conditions. :P
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think the speed limit should be painted on the road.


Can't disagree with you there.

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Lots of people don't see the speed limit signs because they are looking where they are going, not at the myriad of signs that festoon the roadways these days.


But the "myriad of signs" are there to tell you what's coming up on the road ahead so you don't get taken by surprise. Personally I never realised quite how many there are or just how useful they are until I did my advanced test. When you practice a running commentry and say every sign out loud as you go past, you suddenly find that you feel like you know the road even if you've never driven down it before - simply because you are prepared for what's coming.

For just one example - On several occasions I've driven round a blind bend to find a car halfway across the road whilst pulling out of a junction, that may have taken a less observant driver by surprise because they didn't see the junction warning sign.

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As for IAM drivers not having to worry about speed cameras, don't make me laugh. Every "advanced" driver I have met thinks it's perfectly reasonable to exceed the speed limit under the right conditions.


Laughing Out Loud.... please note I didn't say that advanced drivers don't have to worry about speed cameras because they don't exceed the speed limit. :P I was implying that an advanced driver is more observant and spots the camera earlier to not need a warning device.

Please also not that I didn't say "become an IAM member and you won't exceed the speed limit anymore", I said "you won't be driving at stupid speeds". I know for a fact from my GPS that my speedometer under-reads. If I'm on a dual carriageway with a speed limit of 50mph, I know I can comfortably go up to an indicated 55 and probably only be doing 51. So if the conditions are fine I might go up to an indicated 60 and know that I'm not exceeding the speed limit *that much* and certainly not by a dangerous amount.

If your speedo were to start going above 60 then you deserve to be caught.

The one place I can honestly say I don't speed is in 30 zones. Speeding on open roads is one thing but around built-up areas is entirely another. Of course, when I say I don't speed I mean my *actual* speed. My speedo might go up to 33 or 34 but I know from my GPS that I am within the speed limit.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hooloovoo wrote:
I know for a fact from my GPS that my speedometer under-reads.


Of course, what I mean was my speedometer over-reads.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Advanced drivers are fine by me, anything that encourages people to think about what they are doing when they drive is a good thing in my book. 8)

Hooloovoo wrote:
If your speedo were to start going above 60 then you deserve to be caught.


Eh? My bike does more than 60 in first gear. Twisted Evil

Not that I have ever tried it on a public road. Supreme Angel
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 9:10 pm    Post subject: Speeding and GPS Reply with quote

Speeding will eventullay be a thing of the past!

In Leeds they have some trial Skodas with built in black boxs with maps with all the speed limits of each road in it, the speed of the car is then controlled by GPS satellites, the black box then stop the car from going over the speed limit if the driver trys to do so by interferring with the accelerator or brake!

Of course this is still in a prototype stage but if the UK nanny govenrnment have its way, it will eventually come online so to speak, to all cars in the future then speeding will become a thing of the past whether we like it or not.

Dont believe me?

Read below!

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1678948,00.html

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Skippy wrote:
Eh? My bike does more than 60 in first gear. Twisted Evil


Hehe.... I was waiting for a response like that.

To be honest I have less of a problem with bikers speeding than cars. Simply because on a bike the only person you're likely to kill (to a certain extent) is yourself. Doing similar speeds in a car IMHO put far more people at risk.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 11:52 am    Post subject: Re: Speeding and GPS Reply with quote

tel33 wrote:
Of course this is still in a prototype stage but if the UK nanny govenrnment have its way, it will eventually come online so to speak, to all cars in the future then speeding will become a thing of the past whether we like it or not.


And how long do you think that will be active for before someone releases a gadget to plug into the electronics that "unlocks" the speed governor?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have driven a few cars with speed limiters (not GPS based though) and I think they are a good idea - provided the driver can override them.

Some people may think that this would defeat the purpose of a speed limiter but I disagree. There are plenty of times when I accidentally stray over my preferred maximum speed for the particular road. With a speed limiter I can drive without worrying about checking the speedo all the time and spend more time watching the road instead.

A GPS based system would be good, but I would want to be able to program in my own speeds rather than have it dictate the speed to me. For example, an HGV driver might want to set the speed limit to 25 in a 30 MPH zone, 45 in a 50 MPH zone and 60 in a 70 MPH zone.

Of course, the actual speeds set would be up to the individual user - I'm purposely trying to avoid a discussion about the actual speeds on our roads and concentrate on discussing what is possible with current GPS technology. Wink

People would have to understand that the system was purely advisory. The limits of current GPS technology are such that itmay tell you that you can do 70 MPH in a what is obviously a 30 MPH built-up area adjacent to a motorway then you should ignore it. Likewise if you are on the motorway and it thinks you are on an adjacent 30 MPH road then you should override it.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't that basically what the original poster wants? Only in your example the car has cruise control too. I've only ever driven a couple of cars with cruise control, and I have to agree it's great. It lets you concentrate on pointing the car in the right direction rather than worrying if your speed is wondering around.

I still don't see the point of a GPS speed warning system though. IMHO the speed limits are sign-posted well enough on all but a few roads.

There is a road near where I live that used to be 50mph. It was recently reduced to 40mph, and there were loads of drivers caught doing 50. They all complained that the new limit wasn't clearly signposted enough. What, you mean APART from the TWO big 40 signs at the beginning of both ends of this stretch of road, the THREE small repeater signs at even intervals, PLUS the big 'new speed limit ahead' sign as you approach? Not signposted well enough? Don't make me laugh.

I still maintain that the majority of drivers simply dont see any further up the road than the car immediately infront of them. It's all about improving driver training not putting some nanny in the car to watch over you.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The main problem with the speed cameras is that they make you take your eyes off the road to keep looking at your speedo to make sure you are within the speed limit.

IMO it makes me feel sad to read that where cameras have been put up the accident rates in most of them have risen due to this and also due to people braking hard to slow down, we all know that the camera can save lives but once you are past them you tend to speed up so they are infact mainly money makers and dont have such a real impact on saving lives as the Government of the Police say they do.

Incidentally Hooloovoo, you said that you dont mind so much that bikers speed, do you want to have a look at this site, it might help change your mind.

http://www.bikepics.com/bikemovies/accidents/

I came off my Kawasaki bike at 45mph (I was on a motorway slip road coming off the Motorway) due to my front tyre instantly deflating and throwing me off and leaving my poor girlfriend still on the bike slidng down the road.

I chipped a bone in my arm and had servere brusing all over my body to the extent I could not work or do anything for a week and my girlfriend at the time had servere bruising on her hip which left he a bit stiff too.

Luckily my hard paniers kept the bike off her legs but it was close, mine and her helmets were badly damaged to the extent that we had had a cheap one we probably would not be here today.

Speeding on a bike is not fun if you crash and we were not speeding but it hurt all the same.

You are far more likely to die on a bike than in a car that true, but I have seen some photos of a car that had a bike inside it, it killed all the passengers and the rider he was doing over 100mph at the time of impact but thats so easy to do on a bike, so maybe we all should think about speeding and consider is it worth it?

Incidentally I also read that the governement are looking a a trial using number plates with chips in them, another big brother move!
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