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exfive
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 1:40 pm    Post subject: BT vs CF Reply with quote

Ok. Instead of working, I've spent hours upon hours reading reviews and forums on this website (while trying to look very busy...).
I have found it all to be very informative and interesting, but having read all this I am now over-educated and find it very difficult to decide on what I acutally need.
I own a Toshiba e750 but I don't think it is relevant, as from what I have read most receivers work with most devices.
I am going to buy TT5 or Destinator, but again this is irrelevant as most softwares will work with most of the PDAs which will work with most of the GPS receivers....
So, the BIG question is - what do I do now?

1. Shall I buy a Bluetooth receiver? I know that the cons are you have to power both devices while driving. So many cables. Or you have to remember to charge the BT (I ca guarantee that the 1 time I will really need to use the navigation, I will forget to charge the bloody thing...)

2. Shall I use a CF card? I have read that the Sysonchip is quite good and the big cheeses around here like it (that Dave chappy). So I'm willing to buy it. But then I ask myself why is that better then a BT? And maybe I will one day want to use it via BT with a Palm for example which does not have a CF slot?

I have read many many many posts here and found many answers just not all in one place. And not all addressing the same basic issue
Questions questions questions.

So, to sum up:

A. I have already decided to buy it. Whatever IT is.
B. The necessary funds have been allocated.
C. I really really (really) like stupid gadgets.
D. I know I will probably only really use it 4 times and I'm OK with it (lets face it, I know where I'm going most of the time and when I don't I have A-Z or ask someone)
E. Every day that goes by without me playing with this idiotic thing, is driving me more and more insane.
F. Someone at work will eventually notice I have not been very productive lately and this will be a very bad thing indeed.

So which is the best (average) solution for most (average) users? BT or CF? I don't mind if there is a £40 difference as long as it's not a £100 difference. I am not going to hike with it (but the option to do so is cool). I am never going to walk with it (but the option to do so is cool). I will use it (maybe 4 times) in my (old) car and I don't think the windows there have special life-blocking shields on them.

So please help. You've created this problem, now solve it! Please help me keep my sanity and my job. Otherwise I will be sacked and my wife as 5 children will go hungry! **


I like gadgets. I like the idea of GPS. I like most things. Pleaes help me become one of you!




** In case any NSPCC fanatics read this post, I am not married and as far as I am aware I have not fathered any children
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 2:00 pm    Post subject: Re: BT vs CF Reply with quote

exfive wrote:

I am going to buy TT5 or Destinator, but again this is irrelevant as most softwares will work with most of the PDAs which will work with most of the GPS receivers....
So, the BIG question is - what do I do now?


Not entirely irrelevant because at least TomTom is sold in a bundle package with a reciever included. With that you have a choice of wired or BT. Not CF. Keep in mind that you will have to pay siginificantly more to get just the software and buy the GPS receiver seperately, rather than get it in a bundle. And as far as I know you can't directly buy TomTom Navigator without a GPS reciever right now.

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1. Shall I buy a Bluetooth receiver? I know that the cons are you have to power both devices while driving. So many cables. Or you have to remember to charge the BT (I ca guarantee that the 1 time I will really need to use the navigation, I will forget to charge the bloody thing...)


I'm using the TomTom reciever right now and it's very good. It's that sensitive that I just leave it down by the gearstick, right next to the charger so if it runs out of power I just plug in the charge cable and top it up, so power isn't really a problem. The BT GPS is quite small and I reguarly carry it in my pocket without problem, this is especially useful when I'm a passenger in someone elses car.

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2. Shall I use a CF card? I have read that the Sysonchip is quite good and the big cheeses around here like it (that Dave chappy). So I'm willing to buy it. But then I ask myself why is that better then a BT? And maybe I will one day want to use it via BT with a Palm for example which does not have a CF slot?


I had that card. Wasn't entirely impressed as it make my HP2210 very unstable. The main problem was that it made my PDA extra bulky and when it was mounted in the car seriously obstructed my view of the road. Not to mention took up too much space in my pocket.

The other main problem was that the drivers kept disappering and I had to reinstall them. Most annoying.

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C. I really really (really) like stupid gadgets.
D. I know I will probably only really use it 4 times and I'm OK with it (lets face it, I know where I'm going most of the time and when I don't I have A-Z or ask someone)


You sound just like me Smile. Most of the time I know where I'm going but it does come in really useful when on holiday etc. But even when I know where I am I leave it running anyway, even with no route planned.

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So which is the best (average) solution for most (average) users? BT or CF? I don't mind if there is a £40 difference as long as it's not a £100 difference. I am not going to hike with it (but the option to do so is cool). I am never going to walk with it (but the option to do so is cool). I will use it (maybe 4 times) in my (old) car and I don't think the windows there have special life-blocking shields on them.

So please help. You've created this problem, now solve it! Please help me keep my sanity and my job. Otherwise I will be sacked and my wife as 5 children will go hungry! **


An easy solution for you is to get the TomTom Navigator Bluetooth bundle. You could get wired for cheaper but that eliminates the theoretical walking and hiking options.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the reply mate. I did not think about the size factor (although some maintain that size does not matter?) anyway, still having a bluetooth device means it has to be charged and makes the whole thing a little more of a hassle. Is that card that big that it obstructs so much of the road? Are there smaller cards out there? IS it really better to have a BT device? And if so Xtrack or no Xtrack? (Yes I've read that article)? and SirfIII or II? Why are there so many options? Why can't they just make things simple? And why do I have to pay so bloody much for a car mount (passive or active) that costs exaxtly £1 to manufacture in china????? I think I'll post a new posty thinngie (or whatever you call these things) and ask this question.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was having a similar dilemna, except that I was trying to decide between a mouse receiver and a CF card.

From the reading I did, it appears that the SiRF III chip is the way to go for now. Based on the various reviews that I had read, I also decided on the iGuidance software and decided go go with a CF card. This is the model I had chosen:
http://www.buygpsnow.com/item.aspx?itemid=434

When I went to the bundled software, I found a great package that sounds like it would suit your needs as well. It includes the CF card, car PDA holder, Guidance software (there are different packages with different software), and a bluetooth slipper that converts your CF card into a bluetooth antenna! It's the best of both worlds for $200. It may be something that may meet your needs:
http://www.buygpsnow.com/item.aspx?itemid=357

You can also find a 5% off code at one of the axim sites.

CJ
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For a low cost car mount you can't go too far wrong with the O2 XDA car holder, it will fit most PDA devices and costs around a tenner - visit the O2 shop.
As for the bluetooth vs CF I use a BT unit when walking (locates on my baseball hat peak via velcro - yes you look strange but it works for me!), and a hard wired unit (serial port) for in the car - its just conveniance, far faster to get up and running than the BT device that requires conecting and a bit of messing with.
The CF units (I have tried one) are great for "get up and go" quick and don't obscure the drivers eye view too much - but they hammer the battery in the PDA, the cheapest in car solution has to be the wired device complete with charger cable compatable with your PDA, the Fuzion unit I use with the XDA cost around £35 pretty cheap and works a treat - factor in the cost of a car charger cable for the PDA and you will see what I mean, a long drive and the PDA will die out long before you get to the destination without external power - Mike
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In order of the preference I'd reccomend:

1. Bluetooth
2. Bluetooth
3. GPS Mouse (so long as you don't mind being tied to a 12v source)

Forget CF.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well it's a good thing that I'm psychic. I had a feeling you were going to say bluetooth (and bluetooth again) so I went ahead and bought myself one of those sirf iii bluetooths.
Being psychic (see above) I also have a feeling I will not be able to get everything up and running so I'll have to come back here for more advice. I will however keep all my fans (??) updated with the latest info as to what happened next.

Darren - I appreciate the fact that you are a busy man (well I hope you are anyway) and that the world does not revolve around me (well I think it does but I have been told it does not, go figure) BUT it should be noted that if you had replied earlier, you would have saved me some headaches and arguments with the voices in my head: Bluetooth? Why? You are mad! Surely CF is the way to go, you idiot! and so on and so forth...
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

exfive wrote:
Darren - I appreciate the fact that you are a busy man (well I hope you are anyway) and that the world does not revolve around me (well I think it does but I have been told it does not, go figure) BUT it should be noted that if you had replied earlier, you would have saved me some headaches and arguments with the voices in my head: Bluetooth? Why? You are mad! Surely CF is the way to go, you idiot! and so on and so forth...
:D

Apologies, I wade through a great many posts every day and occasionally some slip by the first time!

At least you listened to the voice of reason Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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At least you listened to the voice of reason

I am thanking you on behalf of the voices in my head, although I wouldn't go so far myself as to call them the voice of reason...

I am glad to announce that the Sysonchip blue mini sirf iii little (VERY little) gadget is working fine (and looks great). For any future fans, the set-up is as follows:
Toshiba e750 WiFi with Belking Bluetooth CF card
Sysonchip Blue mini
Tomtom 5

1. Took less then a minute for the satelite LED to light up (which is a good thing I gather).
2. Establish the bluetooth link between the tosh and the blue mini (all very simple follow instructions provided with the GPS unit).
3. Click on Tomtom. Go to preferences and choose Other Cable NMEA GPS then baud rate is 38400 then choose Bluetooth Serial Port x (lookup the bluetooth connection manager and search for the output port) in my case it was 7 and hey presto it's all working (well should be working anyway).

It took me about 10 minutes to set everyhing up:
First 9 minutes I tried to choose the settings myself.
Then 30 seconds to read the very very simple instructions that came with the bluetooth mini.
Then 30 seconds to actually set those setting up in TomTom.

So, the moral of the story is:
NEVER read the instructions first.
ALWAYS try to do things yourself. You will obviously fail, then read the instructions, then never forget them ever again :D
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