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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:09 am    Post subject: Driving Through Tunnels Reply with quote

When entering tunnels the signal is quickly lost (as you would expect) and then takes a little while before it reacquires the signal after exiting.

However, I assume that TomTom/TeleAtlas KNOW that the section of road on the route is a tunnel and would take this into consideration when giving voice instructions.

For example, when exiting the Mersey Tunnel (on the Liverpool side), you immediately have to negotiate a roundabout, but as the GPS has not reaquired the signal, it does not know where it is, and so does not give any instruction as to which to turn.

I would have thought (if the programmers are clever enough), that before entering a tunnel, it would give the correct instruction for when you exit, therefore keeping you on the correct route.

Or alternatively, in circumstances when it loses a signal, it automatically gives the command for the next instruction and the distance to it.

I believe that this enhancement should not be too difficult to implement. I think that am email to the TomTom Developers is in order.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sounds like a good idea - i had the same last week exiting the m25 for enfield - exit is virtually in the tunnel
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought that when you entered the tunnel and lost signal that TomTom would then estimate your position by using the last speed before the signal loss, So therefore continue to navigate you until it got a signal back?

I'm sure I noticed it a few times that it wold still show me moving through the tunnel?

Might have been TTN3,

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm still using TT3 (waiting for upgrade to TT5), and after it has lost the signal, the map screen just hangs stating 'GPS Unreliable' until it finally reacquires the signal upon exit.

Unfortunately, it does not continue to navigate.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CJackel492 wrote:
I thought that when you entered the tunnel and lost signal that TomTom would then estimate your position by using the last speed before the signal loss, So therefore continue to navigate you until it got a signal back?

I'm sure I noticed it a few times that it wold still show me moving through the tunnel?

Might have been TTN3,

Carl,


It does this for a few seconds, then gives up.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having driven through a number of tunnels on a recent trip to Spain with TT5 it would appear that TT5 estimates your position for about a minute after loss of signal and will during this time issue direction messages, e.g. if there is a roundabout or whatever if appropriate.

After the 1 minute TT5 seems to stop estimating poistion or issuing directions until the signal is reaquired.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe there are some systems about that have additional sensors attached to the vehicle wheels, that can provide "tunnel support" until a GPS signal is re-acquired.

Tom-Tom is not one of them.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Tom-Tom is not one of them.

The TomTomGO does in fact have ASN. It has the necessary items built in. Navigator running on a PDA does not.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

uk89camaro wrote:
I believe there are some systems about that have additional sensors attached to the vehicle wheels, that can provide "tunnel support" until a GPS signal is re-acquired.

Yes, they use gyroscopes to do this.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And I thought they used accelerometers?

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The TomTomGO does in fact have ASN. It has the necessary items built in. Navigator running on a PDA does not.

I believe this is only on the GO 700.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oldboy wrote:
uk89camaro wrote:
Tom-Tom is not one of them.

The TomTomGO does in fact have ASN. It has the necessary items built in. Navigator running on a PDA does not.


Don't wish to be pedantic, but I believe we're in the Navigator forum, not TT GO.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Don't wish to be pedantic, but I believe we're in the Navigator forum, not TT GO.

Unfortunately there isn't much difference now!

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CJackel492 wrote:
And I thought they used accelerometers?

Yes, I believe some of the cheaper (I use this term relatively!) units do, but the more expensive ones use a form of gyroscope - eg. Cobra GPSM-3000.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GPS units can also be a little clever when they lose signal. My Garmin 12 continues at the last known parameters for up to 15 seconds before giving up, perhaps fooling Navigator into thinking it still has a perfectly good signal!!

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