CoPilot 5 ETA - Tweaking Road Speeds

[Skippy]

[PONDEROUS]

Topgazza and Skippy raise an all-important issue: whether ALK has any plans to fix this.

The only hint I have heard/seen in public was Dave Burrows’s intention to ask ALK, though his Copilot wish list, to include user-configurable road-type biases on the PDA.

On the face of it, user-configurability might appear to be the answer. However, it will not be sufficient on its own. Merely moving across the facility that already exists in Desktop PC version of CP 5 will not solve the problem of having no identifiable combination of road-type biases that will actually produce shortest routes – or a consistent, predictable, type of route for any combination of settings.

This is not to mention the problems with waypoints, instructions to turn around in the motorway, etc.

What is needed for CP 6 (or whatever) is a complete re-think of the routing logic. User-configurability will be great, but it will have to work.

If ALK do after all have answers to the problems that I have raised in this thread, then could they please post them.

[PONDEROUS]

Lutz's responses imply that the PocketGPS forum team probably still believe that tweaking the settings does produce shortest routes. It will not make matters any clearer if they believe this and I keep insisting on the opposite.

Could I suggest that I send the team some saved UK routes for the team to see for themselves. This would enable the team to post their findings for the benefit of other Copilot users.

If this is of interest, please would the team let me know how to send the route files.

[PONDEROUS]

In various posts, particularly on the thread entitled COPILOT 5 UK ROUTING and elsewhere, Dave Burrows has dismissed, or apparently sought to diminish, criticisms of Copilot 5’s failure to produce true, or even nearly, Shortest Routes. He has done so by referring to the present thread.

Lutz Bendlin has suggested on this thread that the problem of Road Bias adjustments having failed to produce Shortest Routes can be overcome by adjusting by adjusting Road Speeds. This does not work; neither was it likely to work without at the same time upsetting the Quickest Route settings.

No reliable means of solving Copilot’s road bias problems has so far appeared on the thread. Is there such a solution, please? What, and where is it, please?

Dave Burrows has in the past responded to requests to clarify his pronouncements by locking the thread in question so that the line of questioning or criticism cannot continue. By all means, Dave, do so this time. In fact, why not go all the way and lock me out of the forum altogether? First, however, you might try giving clear and straight answers to the above questions. I am sure that Copilot 5 users would appreciate it.

[GrimBeard]

You could try posting a hello message, that will disapear double quick.

GB

[PONDEROUS]

Still no reply from the forum team?

Do they not wish to show that they are responsible enough to hold up their hands when their assumptions (which they have represented as facts) turn out to be incorrect?

Perhaps they will at least think twice before jumping in with both feet in the future .. . although, I have seen no signs of it yet.

[lbendlin]

You may have noticed that there are a lot of things happening in the Pocket GPS space, and not necessarily in the CoPilot area. It's currently not high priority for the Pocket GPS team. However, I am sure there are a lot of CoPilot users out there that would be able and willing to help. Why don't you approach them?
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Lutz

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[PONDEROUS]

I have already consulted other forum users, on this thread, and I am confident that they would have posted a solution by now had there been one.

The point of my most recent posts was not to find the answer to Copilot's routing problems, for that is a lost cause. It was that your and your colleagues' incorrect assertions continue to cloud the issues about which your forum members seek information. The confusion and disrepute that this brings to the forum is exacerbated by apparently highly emotive reactions and less-than-clear further statements when members come back and try to get matters clarified. These are evident in the present thread, and in recent ones concerning TomTom 5.

It is as if members must accept it if you say that the Earth is flat - because is is you who have said it.

If the forum is to be of value, then it needs to be clear as to what is fact and what is supposition. It is far more helpful to say "I don't know, but it might be thus ..." than to give the impression that what you say is cast in stone. Of course, you are not obliged to deal with a subject at all, but once you commit yourself to do so, you need to follow these principles. If you do not, then you may well hinder the process of getting a manufacturer to remedy a fault. You may also lead purchasers to assume that a fault does not exist.

[Dave]

[topgazza]

I don't know Dave, using something like fractured elbow, twisted wrist and ankle and being in great pain to stop you from responding. This site used to be run by real men. Personally I blame Tony Blair.
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Nokia Lumia 800 with Nokia Maps, iPhone 4S with Apple Maps (sigh)

[PONDEROUS]

Dave, read the whole thing, if you can open your mind enough to do so, and you will see that your response merely proves what I have been saying.

I won't go through the whole sorry missive, but just consider your claim that I called you a liar without apology. What you were implying was that my concerns about CP 5 routing and Shortest Routes is there for all to see on the "Sticky" thread. What I discovered at the time, and when you raised it again, was that the thread was about Road Speeds, which has no relevance to the issue. Subsequent posts by your team failed to recognise that point, and my consequent efforts to elicit a frank reply fell on stony ground.

Just who is it that is calling whom a liar?

As for abuse, well, have a look at what has been written. Perhaps you are again getting mixed up about the definition of certain words in the English language (see for example the thread concerning TomTom 5 and sharing BT GPS receivers, for example). As I say, though, recognising the difficulty here does require an open mind.

I really do wish you well in sorting out how this forum should be run in the future. The concept is good, and it could be very useful.

[PONDEROUS]

Dave

Having said what I did above, I apologise for not acknowledging the part of your reply that mentioned your injuries. Without wishing to detract from my apology, I have to say that the quality of what you said left me ill-motivated to read right to the bottom. For that also, I apologise.

[Skippy]

Dave - I'm really sorry to hear about your injury, I hope you have a speedy recovery.

Your website is certainly one of the best ones out there and we do appreciate your work. But these CoPilot issues aren't going to roll over and die.

[PONDEROUS]

Skippy is, of course, more diplomatic than I. That is his choice, and I hope he is more persuasive than I because of it. However, the forum team can very well see for themselves from previous posts and other threads that users have been in touch with ALK to no avail.

The team can also see that the point was long ago made - by Skippy among others - that shortest does not mean 5, 10, 20 etc miles further than the shortest available route. It means SHORTEST.

As Skippy says, neither is objecting to 5, 10, 20 etc miles further a question of preference. I am sorry but this is worth repeating as Dave persists in throwing in these specious arguments.

Another point that I really must repeat is that drawing attention to these issues may be "abuse" to Dave, but to me, at least, it is trying to get the forum team to realise what is involved in providing an impartial service - free or otherwise.

Will all of this repetition and arguing that night-is-day lead to a solution? I can't see it myself. If I am right, then is this forum serving the purpose that was intended?

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