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Joined: Mar 18, 2006 Posts: 86 Location: South Yorkshire
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:20 pm Post subject: Urban Rider backward step?
Hi all, my Rider 1 is coming to the end of its life now. Contacts badly worn, screen scratched etc. I was looking at the Urban Rider, BUT it has the simplified menu.
Am I still correct in thinking that this means problems with POI's etc?
If so it will not be an Urban Rider, why are TT doing this?
Are well looks like Garmin this time, ride safe
Noj
Joined: 14/09/2002 20:56:18 Posts: 5231 Location: Surrey, United Kingdom
Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 3:48 pm Post subject: Re: Urban Rider backward step?
harley-noj wrote:
Hi all, my Rider 1 is coming to the end of its life now. Contacts badly worn, screen scratched etc. I was looking at the Urban Rider, BUT it has the simplified menu.
Am I still correct in thinking that this means problems with POI's etc?
If so it will not be an Urban Rider, why are TT doing this?
Are well looks like Garmin this time, ride safe
Noj
No, no POI problems with the Urban Rider AFAIK but if you wish to stay with TomTom, try to source a RIDER2 instead. The two main reasons for this are that
1) Urban Rider has no SD card slot, so as maps get bigger, or you want to travel further afield, you'll have to decide what maps you want beforehand, or possibly swap them on the hoof.
2) Urban Rider doesn't come with a powered cradle!! It's an optional extra. So it's either extra expense to get one, or take the mains charger with you and try to get some juice into the device when you stop for food. _________________ Tim
Joined: Mar 18, 2006 Posts: 86 Location: South Yorkshire
Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 3:34 pm Post subject:
Thanks for the info Tim.
I've been shopping around and as the rear contacts still work OK they are just worn and I've picked up a screen for £35 that's the way for me.
Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 4:52 pm Post subject: Urban Rider
Just got my UR Europe, and having had a TTR2 for 2 years, I have to say it's a big improvement. OK, as a TTR2 user, its a more economic upgrade, as I have te headsets, powered mount etc, but the device itself is much improved.
Response and navigation is much quicker, satellite acquisition is much better, and the menus appear to work much better with gloves. The only down side is that there is no traffic service available, and Speed camera updates are via TTHome.
The best thing I've found so far is the "winding road" option that gave me a magic ride on the first outing.
In addition, the map thing seems flexible as you can load one of four Euro zones, and change them as you want via Home. _________________ Larry Botheras
Essex UK
Joined: Dec 14, 2006 Posts: 14 Location: Bognor Regis
Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:40 pm Post subject: Urban Rider
botheras,
Do you use a bluetooth headset with your urban rider?
I have the SENA SMH10, (which is excellent, by the way), but I think I have read reports that the volume output from the GPS is not very good. (or was that for the Zumo 220???)
Just upgraded to the Urban Rider navcore on my old Rider V1 (yeah I know, naughty naughty, but enough of that...) And have to say, it is certainly different to the old 7.9 software! I think the main reason I've done this though, is the fact the new Urban has lost SDCard support, so being restricted to just the internal memory on the device will be useless on any long inter-continental trips. Having a massive SDCard, or different maps on different cards is what makes the older V1 and V2 Riders still appeal more to me.
Speed seems about the same, the added IQ Routes is definitely a winner for me (find this invaluable on my fathers XL-IQ jobby), so will be interesting to see how it fairs now on the Rider.
botheras wrote:
Response and navigation is much quicker, satellite acquisition is much better, and the menus appear to work much better with gloves.
Agreed, it is much much easier to use now with gloves, I used to keep an old stylus from a Nintendo DS attached to it, made using it much easier with gloves, but yeah, the new menu and buttons does finally sort the old issue out! (will still keep the stylus there though)
botheras wrote:
The only down side is that there is no traffic service available, and Speed camera updates are via TTHome.
P.I.T.A. to be honest. Not that it made any difference to me (my current phone didn't have support for BTDUN), but I can see the pain for other TomTom Rider users upgrading. Traffic was a handy feature to have
botheras wrote:
The best thing I've found so far is the "winding road" option that gave me a magic ride on the first outing.
I can't wait to try this, done a few test plots and it seems quite interesting! Shame there is only 3 levels of tune for it though, but who knows... that might just be enough!
Although the new customisable QuickMenu is an improvement!
Few other things I've noticed missing:
No battery saving options to disable/enable automatic powering off when it looses power on the bike (but then again, the unit doesn't even come with a powered cradle as standard...)
Also, I thought they had removed the ability to transfer files between TomTom's via BlueTooth any more. Was handy being able to send over POI's and itinerary's to friends on group rides. My mistake, it's actually under Options -- Itinerary Planning -- Options -- More -- Send/Receive files. There is no longer an option to send POI's across though
Probably some other 'missing' features I used to use elsewhere, but not come across them yet... But yeah, as soon as I've finished sorting the bike, can't wait to see how it performs
Just upgraded to the Urban Rider navcore on my old Rider V1 (yeah I know, naughty naughty, but enough of that...) .
Hi
Can you still use the PGPSW speed cameras and alerts?
Cheers
The Rider software allows you to use the POI's from here for the Scamera Alerts yes I've got the TomTom OV2 [UK - Speed Zoned Complete], and also use the voice alerts from Here (I use Text To Speech - PocketGPSWorld Voice) The only real difference between the old Rider 1 and 2 software, and the new Urban software is:
New Interface
Lane Assist
Added IQ Routes
Added WindyRoads option to plotting
Can now record your tracks to GPX Logs!!
Removed TomTom Live Services (Live Traffic)
All the menu's moved about
Compass only points North! You can't choose where it points to now like you could on the Older software (ie, to destination, etc)
Missing Power-Down option in Battery Saving Preferences when cradle/charging power is lost/disconnected (you only have screen timeout options now) although I've managed to "re-enable" this on my modified V1 Rider, and it now shuts itself off when external power is disconnected after 30 second timeout.
As for the hardware:
Lost SDCard support, has only 2Gb internal FLASH memory.
Better battery
No powered cradle supplied by default (uses the same mount & cradle as Rider 2 though)
Quicker CPU than Rider 1 and 2 (100MHz faster), but can't comment on difference personally (the v9 navcore runs just as quick as the old v7 did on my rider 1) All Rider models, past and present, still only have 32Mb RAM though.
Few screenshots from mine...
Startup Screen:
Options Layout:
Route Planning Options:
Route Info Page (note IQ Routes works on all options):
Windy Roads!
New Glove-Friendly Input Keyboard:
What the main map display looks like (I zoomed out from my home location):
And the Software Info:
Oh, and the screen you will *never* see on the actual Urban Rider as the option to set this is missing from the Battery Preferences page:
Joined: Mar 26, 2006 Posts: 261 Location: United Kingdom
Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 6:57 pm Post subject:
Hi
I think it may be worth a try. I have a V2. Loss of the compass is a little disapointing I find it useful when looking for interesting roads on the way to where ever
Do you still get the itinery planning? where did you get the navcor and how did you sort the shutdown.
exportman - Itinerary planning still works as before, and all my old itinerary's copied over fine (don't forget they are in the /itn folder, not the actual map when backing up your SDCard)
mikealder - Not so much T9, but like the keypads of old (normal text entry by hitting the same key multiple times to get the right letter).
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