Red Light Camera (Speed camera?)

diamondgeezer1990 · Occasional Visitor Joined: Jul 22, 2009 Posts: 3

Sorry for the newbie question but does the following red light camera measure speed as well as red light offences. Or does it depend on the camera?

http://www.roadsupervisors.net/images/zh.trafficlightcamera.jpg

falkirk81 · Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:11 am Post subject:

I *believe* that is a standard red light only, no speed.

The speed camera red light cams i think are monitron like cameras now!
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BaggieBoy · Lifetime Member Joined: Apr 13, 2005 Posts: 193

That is just a red light camera.

geddit · Occasional Visitor Joined: Oct 05, 2007 Posts: 47

Be carefull!
Many Red Light cameras are GATSOs with red light trip detectors under the white line. Quite a few of these are now being converted for use as speed detectors when the green light is on - hence the name 'Speed on Green' camera. PGPSW uses the 'Redspeed' terminology. The same camera will get you for crossing a red light or exceeding the speed limit when on green (ond I suspect also on Amber).
When converted to Speed on Green, they are usually painted yellow and speedcheck line painted on the roads. BUT they are not legally obliged to paint them! Luckily, most camera partnerships will publish where they are.

Andy_P · Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:07 pm Post subject:

dorsetbred · Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 6:38 pm Post subject:

Looks just like the two in Poole that went live recently, grey and potent!

geddit · Occasional Visitor Joined: Oct 05, 2007 Posts: 47

Andy
Not sure what to call 'proof' - certainly, as dorsetbred says, Poole have just made 2 cameras 'speed on green'. It was not evident that they replaced anything (but they might have done). The red light cameras in the area all have standard gatso heads on them (and are labelled GATSO!).
As far as your note goes, I note that Redspeed are an approved DIGITAL red light and speed camera but I believe that the Gatso Red Light Camera Type 36 can do the same job, albeit with film. Next time I am in Bournemouth I will check what they have done to their 'speed on green' cameras in Poole, but I was not aware that they had erected genuine Redspeed ones.
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M8TJT · Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 7:04 pm Post subject:

It seems that there is confusion between redspeed cams and the Redspeed manufacturer. Perhaps unfortunately, PGPSW decided some time ago to call redlight cams the also trap speed on green 'redspeed'. This should not be confused with the manufacturer 'Redspeed'. Any make of cam in the PGPSW database that doubles as a redlight and speed cam is called 'redspeed'
Similarly, fixed rear facing cams are called gatso regardless of the manufacturer. Ever heard of an Electrolux hoover, or a Parker biro? Very Happy

geddit · Occasional Visitor Joined: Oct 05, 2007 Posts: 47

Agreed - it does not really matter what they are called in the database, the issue that Andy and I are wrestling with is...
Can old style 'Gatso' red light cameras be 'converted' (ie not replaced) to act as speed cameras?
I would think this is important to you as verifiers, because I've heard the ones referred to by dorsetbred look no different to grey redlight cameras. Similarly, I have heard (but have no evidence) that the tell-tale white line markings may not always be present - other lines such as yellow box junction lines being used for the double check. Anyone working in the camera industry confirm how this works?

rumani · Occasional Visitor Joined: Sep 03, 2009 Posts: 1

The red light cameras in the area all have standard gatso heads
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Andy_P · Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:01 am Post subject:

Andy_P · Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 12:03 pm Post subject:

More trawling through the internet....

The Surrey Camera Partnership website has these two interesting things to say:

Andy_P · Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 12:59 pm Post subject:

Interesting letter from the HOME OFFICE to the Chair of the ACPO Road Policing Enforcement
Technology Committee about type approval and the admissibility in court of evidence from particular cameras.

The letter was primarily to confirm that annual callibration certificates aren't needed and it justifies that by saying that thay aren't specifically mentioned in the type approval certificate.

But that works both ways.... it doesn't mention anything about speed detection use of Gatso redlight cameras in the type approval document either!

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