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Tom59 Lifetime Member
Joined: Aug 05, 2006 Posts: 407 Location: Alconbury - UK
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 11:29 pm Post subject: Accurate POI's |
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Is there any criteria for how accurate POI's are when submitted? I personally would take my TomTom as close as possible to the target, then select my position as a new POI. I know that you can look at Google Maps or any of the other online address finders, but they can be quite inaccurate as well. Today I tried to find a Sainsbury's (they are huge!) whoever submitted the POI got it wrong by about 100 meters. I ended up down a little back street with cars parked on both sides and ended up "You have reached your destination" in someones shed. So the question to the moderators is this......... Is it pssioble to categorise POI's please? Gold using the method that I described, Silver using a post code only, bronze for "Pin the tail on the donkey method" or some other way that is workable? Maybe you could charge for Golden POI's ? |
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Border_Collie Pocket GPS Verifier
Joined: Feb 01, 2006 Posts: 2543 Location: Rainham, Kent. England.
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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GerryC Pocket GPS Moderator
Joined: Mar 01, 2005 Posts: 1513 Location: West Mids
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 12:01 am Post subject: Re: Accurate POI's |
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Tom59 wrote: | Is it pssioble to categorise POI's please? Gold using the method that I described, Silver using a post code only, bronze for "Pin the tail on the donkey method" or some other way that is workable? Maybe you could charge for Golden POI's ? |
To do as you ask, it would be necessary for whoever submits each and every POI (over 200,000 on this site currently) to say how they came about the data. Remember that even the POI databases that some companies produce themselves are postcode based so would have the same problem that you experienced.
For big places, it's best to use the POI as a guide then keep next to the car park until you see the entrance/signs/queues etc.
There is an option on this site for you to correct the data for the benefit of all other subscribers to pin the tail at the car park entrance. If everyone did this for local POIs (OK, I'm guilty of NOT doing this), then the database would get more towards your gold standard. As it is, it's still better than most. _________________ Gerry
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Andy_P Pocket GPS Moderator
Joined: Jun 04, 2005 Posts: 19991 Location: West and Southwest London
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 12:07 am Post subject: |
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Not sure what you mean by "categorising the POIs"....
If all the entries in a particular POI category were compiled in the same way then I could see you could maybe have a sign or symbol next to the category to indicate how they were compiled (postcode, address or eyeball) etc.
But most of the POI categories on this site are continually updated from people's own submissions, so every entry will have varying accuracy depending on who submitted it and how.
Short of going back through all 200,000 entries and finding out how accurate they are (i.e. starting again), I just can't see how your grading system would be possible to implement.
Or have I got the wrong end of the stick? |
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Tom59 Lifetime Member
Joined: Aug 05, 2006 Posts: 407 Location: Alconbury - UK
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 12:24 am Post subject: |
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When people submit POI's, they could declare how accurate or categorise them. So lets say that someone submits some POI's claiming that they are silver or bronze, fair enough, take them at their word and release the POI's on the general public. If they are claiming that they now want to submit gold POI's, that is a different matter. These POI's could be verified as speed camera sightings are verified. I don't think that it would be feasible to trawl through all existing POI's, but it could certainly be applied to new submissions. _________________ TT Go 720 (T)
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aj2052 Frequent Visitor
Joined: Jul 03, 2005 Posts: 1431 Location: Leics,UK
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 12:36 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | These POI's could be verified as speed camera sightings are verified | I dont think you can compare POIs with Cameras, POIs are just an aid to locate and do not have the same significance as cameras, plus it would take an enormous time and effort to verify, a impossible task. |
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MaFt Pocket GPS Staff
Joined: Aug 31, 2005 Posts: 15143 Location: Bradford, West Yorkshire
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:49 am Post subject: |
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the best location for a poi is the entrance road to a car park - that way it doesn't take you to the wrong side of the building!!
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andy-c1 Lifetime Member
Joined: Feb 05, 2005 Posts: 1039 Location: East Sussex
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:59 am Post subject: |
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MaFt wrote: | the best location for a poi is the entrance road to a car park - that way it doesn't take you to the wrong side of the building!!
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yep ,as most likely you will be driving when using your tom-tom the entrance or road if it leads to the shop will do ,take sainsbury Hastings ,the poi was almost in the middle of al he roads thus leaving you to be directed to queensway where there is no entrance and a long journey trying to find the entrance and as it is now well it takes you right to the store _________________ TomTom 5001 |
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Daggers Lifetime Member
Joined: Jun 20, 2005 Posts: 1096 Location: Solihull, UK
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:01 am Post subject: |
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My suggestion is this: Next time you have a quiet evening, instead of just vegging in front of the box watching nothing in particular (come on, I'm sure we're all guilty of this from time-to-time!), spend some time on the POI submission page, looking at your home town and other areas you know well. Correct some of the POIs that you know are currently not quite right. Depending on the location, you can often use the satellite image view to identify specific buildings, rather than just guessing from the map.
Next time you go on a journey somewhere, observe the locations of the POIs on the SatNav compared with their actual positions in real life. Then spend 10 minutes next time you are at your computer, putting in a couple of changes.
This way, the POI database starts to get a little more accurate. The more people that do this, the better it becomes, and the more confidence other people will be able to have in it. |
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andy-c1 Lifetime Member
Joined: Feb 05, 2005 Posts: 1039 Location: East Sussex
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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Daggers wrote: | Depending on the location, you can often use the satellite image view to identify specific buildings, rather than just guessing from the map.
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took me a while to figure this 1 out never really thought of doing that until i pressed the satellite image by mistake and found out it was a much better way of locating poi's _________________ TomTom 5001 |
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Andy_P Pocket GPS Moderator
Joined: Jun 04, 2005 Posts: 19991 Location: West and Southwest London
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Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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Just occasionally the aerial image and the road map image don't line up very well.
In those situations, apparently the map is more accurate, so use the aerial image to get the position, but then move it to the right place on the map before submitting it.
Oh, by the way... anyone know how often these are actually satellite images? Wikipaedia says they are often just from aeroplanes but doesn't give any more details. Are ALL high res ones from planes do you think? |
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aj2052 Frequent Visitor
Joined: Jul 03, 2005 Posts: 1431 Location: Leics,UK
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Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 12:21 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | Just occasionally the aerial image and the road map image don't line up very well.
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And sometimes the roads do not even match, a prime example is The Rushes in Loughborough, some of the roads actually go through buildings and these have been changed at least 3yrs ago and reported by myself at least 4 times, navteq maps actually very nearly show this correct. |
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Graeme2812 Frequent Visitor
Joined: Mar 14, 2004 Posts: 297 Location: Dundee, Scotland UK
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Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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Daggers wrote: | My suggestion is this: Next time you have a quiet evening, instead of just vegging in front of the box watching nothing in particular (come on, I'm sure we're all guilty of this from time-to-time!), spend some time on the POI submission page, looking at your home town and other areas you know well. Correct some of the POIs that you know are currently not quite right. |
I do this occasionally, doesn't take as long as you think either. I think all of us who appreciate the database should do our bit, no matter how small to keep it up to date. _________________ Graeme Bennett
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ian1509 Occasional Visitor
Joined: Sep 08, 2006 Posts: 2
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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With the poi's I have created for my son's cricket, I use poieditor and you just drill down through google maps to get the position spot on to the various entrances. |
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Brickie64 Lifetime Member
Joined: Dec 05, 2007 Posts: 158 Location: Lincoln (UK)
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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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Andy_P2002 wrote: | Oh, by the way... anyone know how often these are actually satellite images? Wikipaedia says they are often just from aeroplanes but doesn't give any more details. Are ALL high res ones from planes do you think? |
Andy,
about a year ago I got talking to a couple of guys in a bar new New York who were commissioned by Garmin to take photographic images of block areas in order to update their maps. They were just flying between waypoints in a small light aircraft and taking images with GPS co-ordinates. Guess the images are joined up and used by Google etc.
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