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phillevy
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:27 pm    Post subject: Am I expecting too much? Reply with quote

I've had a GPSlim 236 for 2 weeks now and find it takes anything from 20 seconds to 6 minutes to get a fix (mostly about 2 minutes though). Yesterday I was in central London on foot and was disappointed to find it was not able to get a fix for the whole time - I was mainly in Oxford Street, Tottenham Ct road, Charing Cross road and later in Park Lane/Mayfair. I realise the conditions were not ideal for reception, but my expectations were high for the chipset in this receiver. Does this mean it is not usable if I were to drive into central London or could the unit be faulty? - it worked perfectly once I had got home though.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

depending on when the last time was that tyou had a fix before, it may take that long in urban canyons. You are greatly helping the receiver if you switch it on before you start moving, and give it a minute or two to lock on.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your reply, however why I was concerned in central London was that however long I gave it (and I was stationary outside of shops waiting for my wife and daughter!) it simply would not get a fix at all.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

phillevy wrote:
Thanks for your reply, however why I was concerned in central London was that however long I gave it (and I was stationary outside of shops waiting for my wife and daughter!) it simply would not get a fix at all.


Central London is a challenge. If you already have a good fix before you go there then you should be able to hold the fix. If you are starting from cold then you will have a really difficult time.

What you have to do is go to the satellite status screen and see which sats it is trying to lock on to. Then move around until it starts aquiring the sat and stay still until it has that one locked. This takes 30 to 60 seconds of uninterrupted view of the satellite. Sometimes you will be getting a satellite but a bus keeps passing and blocking your view so it never sees it long enough to get a lock and the timer starts again.

SiRF are looking at "assisted start" where you can preload the satellite data into a cold receiver (maybe downloaded using GSM or some other system) so it can do a "hot start" from cold without having to download the data from the satellites in difficult conditions.

The newer SiRF III chipsets are supposed to be much better. The expensive in-car systems also have a "dead reackoning" system which measures the car's speed and direction of travel to help out when the satellite reception gets lost.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for such an informative answer - perhaps I'll find a park next time I go! As long as I am aware of what the hardware can do and can't do I'm happy -I just wanted reassurance it wasnt faulty.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You might give it another couple of weeks. When I first bought my GPSlim236 it got its first fix very quickly. Then, over the next week or so, the time got longer and longer, increasing to about 6 or 7 minutes. But I persisted and the problem has gone away - I have had it for about 4 months now and the fix is very quick and reliable
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After four months of ownership I have only ever once had my 236 take more than 30 seconds to achieve lock and that was in Manchester city centre (tall buildings etc, I compounded the problem by not using the unit for a couple of weeks prior to this and the battery was flat - one of those dumb moment we all have at times) drove into a clear spot and it locked quickly as normal, There have been a number of people experiancing long time to fix, but its reassuring to hear the problem goes away - Great bit of equipment - Mike
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Phil,
Who did you get your GR236 from?
You say you've only had it a couple off weeks but there are a couple of retailers who are still shipping devices with the old firmware which does cause the problems you are describing.
If you are able to I would check the firmware revision using SiRF Demo. You need to see 3.1.1 to have the latest.
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