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 Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:33 am Post subject: Dartford crossing cameras catch 300 percent more drivers |
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The number of drivers caught by a set of average speed cameras on the A282, the trunk road leading to the Queen Elizabeth II bridge at the Dartford Crossing, has increased by more than 300 percent in three years.
The figures were obtained by the Essex Chronicle in a Freedom of Information request.
During 2014, the cameras caught nearly 35 drivers every day, likely to pull in approximately one million pounds in fines.
That's triple the amount that Essex's second-most profitable camera earns on the A127 near Rayleigh.
The Institute of Advanced Motorists reported that one motorist was caught doing 111 miles per hour in a 50mph zone on that particular stretch of road last year.
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DennisN
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:44 am Post subject: |
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So now the road is 300% safer and speed cameras are the best thing since sliced bread - or am I missing something?
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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Nope, I think your spot on, we seem to have a lot of unsafe speeding drivers on the road who absolutely have to shave a couple of minutes off their journeys.
For whatever reason I'm still trying to work out
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| Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 9:57 am Post subject: |
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The crossing has always been a really bad place for queuing traffic because of the toll booths - a regular place for delays of half an hour or more at peak times and of traffic backing up for several junctions. These conditions make it impossible to speed!
Now traffic is flowing (more) freely because of the new camera managed payment system drivers have more opportunity to travel at or above the speed limit. (Yet are probably confused because there are still speed restrictions in place that are below the national speed limit). |
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| JaTe wrote: | | The bridge deck is in the region of 220ft above river level ....... with minimum stopping distances of 315 feet |
Yep, see what you mean - they couldn't possibly stop before they hit the river. 
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Ah yes, I'm forgetting this new fangled stuff. Back in the days of the red flag, we used to stop by putting a boot on the tyre.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 11:41 am Post subject: |
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| Kremmen wrote: | | Nope, I think your spot on, we seem to have a lot of unsafe speeding drivers on the road |
You have the facts to back up your statement?
Last time I checked the Road death figures have fallen virtually every year since 2001
Year Deaths
2001 3,450
2002 3,431
2003 3,508
2004 3,221
2005 3,201
2006 3,172
2007 2,946
2008 2,538
2009 2,222
2010 1,850
2011 1,901
2012 1,754
2013 1,713
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| Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Which 'proves' that the cameras are doing a fine job. Or am I trying to relate two unrelated facts? |
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| technik wrote: | | Last time I checked the Road death figures have fallen virtually every year since 2001 |
Seeing as how all the new cars can go faster than the old cars, doesn't this prove that the saying "Speed kills" is wrong? 
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We all know that speed doesn't kill. It's the sudden stop from the speed that kills. It's a proven fact that the higher the speed, if you come to a sudden stop, you are more likely you are to be killed (or kill someone else) than if you were travelling slower. QED. There can be no further arguments along these lines, as what I have said is fact, not rumour, hearsay or something that I have just made up.  |
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DennisN
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 8:07 am Post subject: |
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Well, I won't believe it until I read it in the Daily Mail. 
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 10:30 am Post subject: |
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| M8TJT wrote: | | We all know that speed doesn't kill. It's the sudden stop from the speed that kills. It's a proven fact that the higher the speed, if you come to a sudden stop, you are more likely you are to be killed (or kill someone else) than if you were travelling slower. QED. There can be no further arguments along these lines, as what I have said is fact, not rumour, hearsay or something that I have just made up. |
Whilst it is a Medical fact that sudden deccelaration is a significant contributory cause of death.
One cannot escape the fact that cars are safer now than they have ever been due to crumple zones, airbags, seat belts etc etc.
However there is no Empirical evidence nor Scientific evidence to prove that only reducing speed is saving lives, so i would have to disagree with your "fact" statement as it only looks at one aspect and not the total
scenario of vehicles on the roads in the 20xx's
There was a study done in the USA in the 1950 when trying to legislate for Seat belts to be compulsory that even suggested a spike on the steering wheel be considered, that visual deterrent would be sufficient to slow people down. There is a Psycology behind speed whether this be a runner who can do a sub 10 sec 100 yard dash, a land speed record holder, or even the average (probable better stated as below average) driver.
Courses like ROSPA's Advanced driving course are the way forward to improve driver behavior overall. |
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| petrolhead276 wrote: | | i would have to disagree with your "fact" statement |
Well, pardon me for saying so, but actually, M8TJT is highly regarded for his facts - indeed, it is widely acknowledged that only the Daily Mail can better him.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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In that list of figures I still think that 1,713 in 2013 is "a lot" as I said.
Cameras are probably contributing to the reduction.
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| petrolhead276 wrote: | Whilst it is a Medical fact that sudden deccelaration is a significant contributory cause of death.
One cannot escape the fact that cars are safer now than they have ever been due to crumple zones, airbags, seat belts etc etc. |
I will not dispute that which is also a fact, but the added safety measures that you mention just make the stop a little less violent. So this does not disprove my statement above that the faster you go, the more likely you are to be killed regardless of the fact that cars are safer now than they have been in the past.
Drive into the back of a stationary lorry at 10MPH and you are likely to suffer only minor injuries. Now do the same thing at 100MPH and see how you get on even with your crumple zones and airbags etc. |
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