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Darren Frequent Visitor
Joined: 11/07/2002 14:36:40 Posts: 23848 Location: Hampshire, UK
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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 10:16 am Post subject: Driver slapped with £900 fine for following TomTom |
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You may recall the case of Robert Jones who blindly followed his SatNav and drove his 5-Series BMW down a dirt track in West Yorkshire, very nearly driving off the edge of a cliff as a result.
Calderdale Magistrates quite rightly levelled all the blame at Mr Jones rather than the SatNav and slapped him with a fine and costs amounting to nearly £900 in total along with six points for his foolishness.
The path is a bridleway and it serves as a timely reminder that SatNav is not an auto-pilot whose directions should be slavishly obeyed but instead it is a guide.
It is not a replacement for good observation and common sense. Sky News have a picture of the car teetering on the cliff edge here.
_________________ Darren Griffin |
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idf Lifetime Member
Joined: Jul 09, 2006 Posts: 5
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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 10:35 am Post subject: |
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Finally a court with some common sense.
A SatNav is no different to a paper map - both can (and do) have errors; both can become out of date. When did people stop taking responsibility for their own actions? |
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p800 Occasional Visitor
Joined: Mar 03, 2006 Posts: 19
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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 11:11 am Post subject: |
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He must of been crazy to end up there, it is just a path. Just use the co-ordinates below, and follow the path back.
Google earth co-ordinates: 53°42'16.49"N / 2° 6'37.29"W |
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Jellyroll Lifetime Member
Joined: May 17, 2006 Posts: 57
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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 11:25 am Post subject: |
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My wife and I walked up there just after it happened, and we decided that, had we been driving, we'd have kacked our pants long before we reached the point of no return! |
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JockTamsonsBairn Lifetime Member
Joined: Jan 10, 2004 Posts: 2777 Location: Bonnie Scotland (West Central)
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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 11:34 am Post subject: |
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Also mentioned here. _________________ Jock
TomTom Go 940 LIVE (9.510, Europe v915.5074 on SD & 8.371, WCE v875.3613 on board) |
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Andy_P Pocket GPS Moderator
Joined: Jun 04, 2005 Posts: 19991 Location: West and Southwest London
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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 11:59 am Post subject: |
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And somewhere else too....
I remember spending ages working out where the picture was taken from on Google maps, when they hadn't given much detail about where it was. |
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FrequentFlyer Lifetime Member
Joined: Jun 12, 2006 Posts: 964 Location: London
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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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The guy does 5000 miles a week (?)...company BMW .... deserves firing. |
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BigPerk Frequent Visitor
Joined: Sep 06, 2006 Posts: 1618 Location: East Hertfordshire
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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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According to the article he is a car delivery driver. I wonder who the lucky recipient of that nice clean expensive BMW was? _________________ David
(Navigon 70 Live, Nuvi 360) |
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Duddy Lifetime Member
Joined: Dec 09, 2006 Posts: 219 Location: Manchester UK
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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 1:20 am Post subject: Dummy driver |
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p800 wrote: | He must of been crazy to end up there, it is just a path. Just use the co-ordinates below, and follow the path back.
Google earth co-ordinates: 53°42'16.49"N / 2° 6'37.29"W |
What a dummy.... Looking at Google Earth he must have requested "shortest route" my Tom Tom One V2 gives some very strange results when I try it for fun. i.e. I always go for quickest _________________ HUAWEI P30 Pro (new edition) with Speedtrap Alert & alcatel1 for SatNav
CoPilot 10 with CamerAlert
RoadHawk in-car video
Reading glasses getting thicker as is my waist
Retired but want to go back to work for a rest. |
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hailstorm Regular Visitor
Joined: Jun 26, 2007 Posts: 78
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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 7:14 am Post subject: |
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Just looked it up on my 540 and it is indeed marked as a road. I'm surprised that it hasn't been marked off using map share.
To be fair I've done a pretty stupid thing of driving up a footpath while trusting my satnav. To the left of me was a sheer drop and the footpath ahead didn't go anywhere. Took me about half an hour reversing it back out. Was relieved that I managed to get it out without a scratch or plunging the car over the side of the road. |
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idf Lifetime Member
Joined: Jul 09, 2006 Posts: 5
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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 7:19 am Post subject: |
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hailstorm wrote: | I'm surprised that it hasn't been marked off using map share. |
Does anything get marked off by mapshare? Nothing I have ever reported (blocked roads, non-existent roads or wrong speed limits) have ever shown up on mapshare or been corrected several map versions down the line. |
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bbuk Occasional Visitor
Joined: Aug 15, 2006 Posts: 6
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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 8:26 am Post subject: |
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Yes, the guy was daft to follow such a track, but...
MESSAGE FOR THE DEFENDANT, MR JONES
...the prosecution lawyer said you had driven down a bridleway. Looking at the local Highway Authority maps shows that --
-- the road is not marked as a bridleway;
-- the road appears on Calderdale maps as part of the 'Local Street Network' but no definition is shown of what this is
My suggestion is that the HA may have this route listed as a legitimate road, not a footpath or a bridleway, and that if they receive funding for maintaining these then they should be available for use.
I know SatNav gets a lot of stick, but I can't help but think that some of the source data from Highways Authorities is flawed...which is understandable considering the miles they have to look after.
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M8TJT The Other Tired Old Man
Joined: Apr 04, 2006 Posts: 10118 Location: Bexhill, South Sussex, UK
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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 8:39 am Post subject: |
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Hi bbuk, and welcome to the PGPSW forums
Absolutely correct bbuk wrote: |
I know SatNav gets a lot of stick, but I can't help but think that some of the source data from Highways Authorities is flawed
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And not to mention the mapping companies not keeping their maps fully up to date in some cases, by years, and the SATNAV manufacturers not neccessarily using the latest maps.
But you are right bbuk wrote: |
Yes, the guy was daft to follow such a track, but...
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DeLorean Lifetime Member
Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 314 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:08 am Post subject: |
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I find commonsense and using the windows a valuable source of additional information whilst driving
Perhaps he’d mistakenly asked his sat-nav to plan a route for a Microlight
I’m sure most have realised that if you follow your sat-nav religiously you wouldn't live very long _________________ 🔸🔸 Currently using TomTom GO 940 & Locus Map 🔸🔸 |
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technik Lifetime Member
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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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You can't expect a BMW driver to have common sense. |
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