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DigDug
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:48 pm    Post subject: Routing Challenges with CoPilot Reply with quote

All,

Newbie here, but seem to have tremendous challenges using CoPilot on my iPhone....

I am an old PDA Tomtom user - Navigator 6 and really want to get rid of windows.... hence the iphone...

I was tempted by the Copilot price, but have found the Copilot's route guidance is woeful!!! A quick check on a route from my home to my local sports club on copilot is 13.9m 0:34hr using the quickest and the shortest route setting. Which is by no means the correct route, even when looking at a map book(god help me)

Checking this with the Google and the Tomtom websites they choose a different route(which I know through trial and error is the quickest and shortest) I get the following:

Google maps you get 13.2m 25min
Using TomTom website you get 12.4 and 23m

And whilst they don't agree on timings and distance(probably due to their calculations of average speed, and postcode locations), they both choose the same basic route.

Am I missing something.... I have tried custom routes, but have yet to find a suitable combination that will work for a trip to my local sports club and also deliver the same results to different locations e.g. work and other major/minor road destinations (once again backing this up with google and TomTom websites).

And to top it off today it actually took me off a road I was on, only to direct me back to the same road a few miles down the same road..... but a lot further in distance... How can I ever trust it's directions again!!!

Please help, I am sure I am doing something wrong... Enter destination postcode, choose shortest route.. and then having to check it with google and Tomtom, and ignoring the Copilot route by choosing a different route... Maybe I should buy a map book!!!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:53 am    Post subject: Re: Routing Challenges with CoPilot Reply with quote

Hi DigDug,

Have you explored modifying the routing profile(s)?

Firstly, ensure the menu system of Co-Pilot is set to 'show more Settings' (if it is, Menu - Settings - 'Show Fewer Settings' will be displayed (the option toggles to define the act of pressing the button as 'show more settings'; if you see 'show more settings' press the button to toggle the option). Hope that makes sense!

Now create/modify a routing profile:

1. Menu - Settings - Routing Profiles (not Routing).
2. If you don't already have one, select 'new' and give the profile a logical name.
3. Select your vehicle type (presumably Automobile).
4. Then you will find a series of road types, with a typical speed value to represent how fast you drive on those road types, and what your preference for each is - Avoid, Strongly Avoid, Neutral, Favour, Strongly Favour.
5. Note that when you open this screen of information, you see only Motorways and Dual Carriageways - but if you scroll the page (Up)/Down, you'll find many more road types.
6. Note that unless you modify the settings, the defaults that Co-Pilot generates are pretty odd - Dual Carriageways at a normal driving speed of 30 mph?!
7. There is a post here with sample profile settings that work for people. I'm currently using the one posted by Darren, and I've no complaints (though I'm not testing it forensically!).

Good luck and let us know if it helps.
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iPhone 4/4S (iOS 5.1.1); TomTom Western Europe (1.10)/USA & Canada (1.10); CoPilot for iPhone (8), UK mapping, Mac OS 10.8/XP Pro/Win7; Tongue firmly in cheek!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All this talk of the woeful routing in Copilot is enough to deter me from purchasing it at any price. Sat nav is maps + routing. Everything else is just gravy. If one or both of those needs endless second-guessing, forget it.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seamaster wrote:
All this talk of the woeful routing in Copilot is enough to deter me from purchasing it at any price. Sat nav is maps + routing. Everything else is just gravy. If one or both of those needs endless second-guessing, forget it.

I know where you're coming from, but I think this is more poor explanation of unfamiliar settings (which of course isn't very helpful!), and who knows, once we're all comfortable, this ability to tinker might be a major benefit.

I was actually impressed with the performance whilst touring unfamiliar roads in the West Country, and I think once past the bizarre default settings, things seem much more logical. I'm driving plenty of familiar (TomTom) routes in the near future, and will reflect back how close co-pilot is.
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DigDug
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:27 pm    Post subject: Still no Joy Reply with quote

Thank Bedbug

I had tried the routing profiles, but had not matched the one you mentioned. It is a lot better at calculating routes, but I am still not confident about the routes chosen, or which routing profile it chooses when you first select the route. So I will now always check the route it chooses.....

I wish I could get my money back for this application.

I would certainly not recommend CoPilot over Tomtom irrespective of the price.
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