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granite-silver
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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 10:42 pm    Post subject: Garmin red light warnings Reply with quote

Hi, I have a Garmin 205WT with the pocketgps camera database installed.
My only problem is with the red light warnings, they are there with sound but when approaching the offending traffic light a the speed limit icon is displayed not the traffic light icon. Any ideas ? Should this be in the PocketGPSworld database forum ? And has this got anything to do with it, it was a long time ago. http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=11957&highlight=traffic+light+icon
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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It sounds like you are using the Speed Zoned Database.

The Speed Limit icon will be displayed for RedSpeed Cameras. These are cameras that double as Speed and RedLight Cameras so the icon warns you of the trigger speed. Normal RedLight camera will display the Traffic Light icon as they don't double as a Speed Camera.

Can you give some locations i can check? You'll need to be fairly specific.
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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although this appears to have been removed on the submission page in the last few days, but may show the problem.

Removal of: Single Direction RedSpeed (ID#34500), Heading: 340, Lat:51.54931, Lon:0.46567 (United Kingdom), Speed:60, [34500] This redlight does not exist, and is not a 60MPH area.

also REDLIGHT:ID#58679@60 at the same location but on other side of railway track
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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

''It sounds like you are using the Speed Zoned Database. Can you give some locations i can check? You'll need to be fairly specific.''

Yes I am and will check on way to work tonight and advise. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

granite-silver wrote:
''It sounds like you are using the Speed Zoned Database. Can you give some locations i can check? You'll need to be fairly specific.''

Yes I am and will check on way to work tonight and advise. Very Happy


Ok the two I past on the way to work are:-

REDLIGHT:9624@50 Heading 8 single direction And
REDLIGHT:8999@40 Heading 10 single direction.

These show the traffic light icon as per the pocketGPSworld database but also advise a speed limit warning of 50 and 40 as per the above locations. with I believe a garmin warning/description.

So do these cameras double as Speed and RedLight Cameras ? Thats a new one to me ! Confused
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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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OK the two I past on the way to work are:-

REDLIGHT:9624@50 Heading 8 single direction And
REDLIGHT:8999@40 Heading 10 single direction.

These show the traffic light icon as per the pocketGPSworld database


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I thought the problem was that they showed the speed limit and not the Redlight icon?

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My only problem is with the red light warnings, they are there with sound but when approaching the offending traffic light a the speed limit icon is displayed not the traffic light icon


If the camera can also double as a speed camera it'll show the speed limit, otherwise if it is a plain ordinary Redlight camera, it'll show the RedLight (Traffic Light) icon.
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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PaulB2005 wrote:

If the camera can also double as a speed camera it'll show the speed limit, otherwise if it is a plain ordinary Redlight camera, it'll show the RedLight (Traffic Light) icon.

Not trying to contradict PaulB, but surely our database calls Redlight cams that double as speed cams 'RedSpeed'. I know that a lot of pure Redlight cams have speed limits attached, so that if they later become a RedSpeed, we have the speed data to hand. As for what warnings you get depends on the Nav software (which is presumably why the OP asked the question). The MioMap 3.2 S/W (Igo based) gives the speed on a Redlight cam (if it has as speed attached)
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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As fa as i can see and know, not all Speed Cameras that double as speed cameras are RedSpeed cameras. Otherwise why have entries that are

REDLIGHT:1419@30

and

REDSPEED:3027@30

?

The first is in the REDLIGHT file and the second in the GATSO file.
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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PaulB2005 wrote:
As fa as i can see and know, not all Speed Cameras that double as speed cameras are RedSpeed cameras. Otherwise why have entries that are

REDLIGHT:1419@30

and

REDSPEED:3027@30

?

The first is in the REDLIGHT file and the second in the GATSO file.


REDLIGHT:1419@30 is a REDLIGHT only camera - we just have a record of the speed to a) act as a reminder and b) if it ever changes to a redspeed then we already have the speed

REDPSEED:3027@30 is a KNOWN redlight AND speed camera

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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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REDLIGHT:1419@30 is a REDLIGHT only camera - we just have a record of the speed to a) act as a reminder and b) if it ever changes to a redspeed then we already have the speed

REDPSEED:3027@30 is a KNOWN redlight AND speed camera


I'll get my coat.... Embarassed
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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please forgive a TomTom user for butting in but this is what I've learnt from this forum...

The icon shown is based on the category so redlights will show the traffic lights and redspeed (as it's in the 'gatso' categories) will show the speed limit.

As for the alert, I understood that if there's a number in the description, it will show that speed so REDLIGHT:9624@50 will give a 50 warning.

Happy to back down if I'm wrong. Confused
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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Drove pass both camera's with my tomtom and Garmin on this morning and here's an update on the problem for

REDLIGHT:9624@50 Heading 8 single direction And
REDLIGHT:8999@40 Heading 10 single direction.

The garmin 205WT acts as if their REDSPEED cameras however my tomtom 930T warns that they are REDLIGHT. The tomtom is correct and the Garmin is not - Why ? Confused
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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you sure they warn as redspeed? ie shows the speed limit icon and not the traffic light icon. I would expect you to see the traffic lights.

As for the difference between Garmin and Tomtom, the Garmin is giving you extra info regarding the speed limit at the time (regardless of whether it's set to catch you speeding through a green) where the Tomtom isn't.

Both are "correct". They just interpret the info is slightly different ways.
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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

granite-silver wrote:
Drove pass both camera's with my tomtom and Garmin on this morning and here's an update on the problem for

REDLIGHT:9624@50 Heading 8 single direction And
REDLIGHT:8999@40 Heading 10 single direction.

The garmin 205WT acts as if their REDSPEED cameras however my tomtom 930T warns that they are REDLIGHT. The tomtom is correct and the Garmin is not - Why ? Confused


garmin give a speed alert if there is a speed limit in teh actual data for a particular point, tomtom does not. you will have a redlight camera icon but also a speed warning too.

neither are wrong, just different ways of using the same data.

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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So how does Garmin warn for REDSPEED - it seems to me that its normal REDLIGHT warning incorporates REDSPEED which is incorrect. The camera is either REDLIGHT or REDSPEED.
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