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HenryMitchell Regular Visitor

Joined: Jul 04, 2007 Posts: 139 Location: Godstone, Surrey
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Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 3:48 am Post subject: GO 940 camera alerts |
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I recently mentioned this in another thread but I thought this deserved one of its own:
I just got a GO 940 LIVE two days ago and I have to say it's an excellent unit except for the "safety camera" (speed camera) alerts which are patchy at best.
One of the main reasons I chose this unit for my upgrade was because TomTom boast about their tie-up with Road Angel for the camera alerts plus others. As until last week I used a Road Angel alongside my old GO 910 this sounded perfect for me.
How wrong I was! On just a few journeys I have found as many wrong or missing cameras as correct ones and yes, it has been updated. Many Gatso locations are shown with a (?) as the speed limit or are marked incorrectly as mobile locations and some of the variable gantrys on the western M25 were not shown at all or were on the screen but did not trigger the audible warning. Not good so far...
What also seems odd is that my trusty old Road Angel reports all these perfectly so what's going on? Duff data being supplied to TomTom? TomTom's updates not working properly? Also, the look and feel of the "new" system seems all too similar to the old TomTom in-house system.
I could go back to using both systems but the main reason for opting for the 940 was to avoid this, or I could load the PGPSW camera data and forget about the TomTom data but then that means regular manual updates instead of automatic ones.
Is anyone else having the same problems? _________________ Device: GO 600, Live connected via iPhone 5.
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Darren Frequent Visitor

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Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 10:14 am Post subject: Re: GO 940 camera alerts |
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HenryMitchell wrote: | or I could load the PGPSW camera data and forget about the TomTom data but then that means regular manual updates instead of automatic ones. |
You still have to update via HOME to get fixed camera updates with the x40 so it's no simpler! _________________ Darren Griffin |
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M8TJT The Other Tired Old Man


Joined: Apr 04, 2006 Posts: 10118 Location: Bexhill, South Sussex, UK
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Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 10:24 am Post subject: Re: GO 940 camera alerts |
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HenryMitchell wrote: |
I just got a GO 940 LIVE two days ago and I have to say it's an excellent unit except for the "safety camera" (speed camera) alerts which are patchy at best. |
I think that you have answered your own question above. Get the far superior PGPSW database and do the little bit of extra work installing them. You will then have the best of both worlds.  |
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mikero Regular Visitor

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Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 10:31 am Post subject: |
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I use both the PGPSW and TomTom. As the Irish say, "To be sure, to be sure" |
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carl_the_cobbler Frequent Visitor
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Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 10:32 am Post subject: |
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I reckon a technophobe would find it much simpler to plug their device into their PC and tick a box or whatever to get the cameras updated to doing it the POI way.
The initial set up of the PGPSW ones is not easy (even with instructions, for the less PC able), after it has been done once it is easier, the spoken warnings are brilliant though so I hope that the new TT ones will incorporate this kind of alert, not just a beep beep.
If the TT ones do work as they "should" I reckon it would be by far the best solution to the Camera "problem". |
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mikealder Pocket GPS Moderator


Joined: Jan 14, 2005 Posts: 19638 Location: Blackpool , Lancs
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Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 10:36 am Post subject: |
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carl_the_cobbler wrote: | The initial set up of the PGPSW ones is not easy (even with instructions, for the less PC able), after it has been done once it is easier, the spoken warnings are brilliant though so I hope that the new TT ones will incorporate this kind of alert, not just a beep beep. |
If you think setting up the PGPSW database is difficult then getting spoken alerts working on the x40 range is possible but troublesome to say the least with quite a lot of messing around with sound editor software audio leads, PC and worst of all lots of time. Without all the messing around you get the simple Beep Beep Beeps - Mike |
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Darren Frequent Visitor

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Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 10:41 am Post subject: |
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carl_the_cobbler wrote: | I reckon a technophobe would find it much simpler to plug their device into their PC and tick a box or whatever to get the cameras updated to doing it the POI way. |
Of course, that's why TT don't allow 3rd parties to offer that install method.
But I'd rather a bit of messing if it meant I had the best data, TomTom's is laughable, I'd rather drive everywhere at 30mph than trust it. _________________ Darren Griffin |
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carl_the_cobbler Frequent Visitor
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Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 10:46 am Post subject: |
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I think it has to do with the PC ability of the person using the device, I feel comfortable doing most things on a PC, and would strive to get the spoken alerts because I think they are great, however someone who has no idea that you should do a Windows Backup, has no idea what they can do configuration wise of the TT would probably settle for the beep beep.
I just consider it more straightforward for that person to plug their TT into their PC and tick the box that says Update Cameras or whatever than extract the data from a zip file and then ensure it goes in the correct place, that involves some PC knowledge and some of the people I know would have no interest, or in fact understanding of how it all works.
Just a bit sad that I am such a geek I suppose
P.S. It is a shame TomTom don't let you install your Camera Database that way as it would indeed then be the complete package. |
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SunnyUK Occasional Visitor

Joined: Nov 02, 2008 Posts: 52
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Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 11:23 am Post subject: Re: GO 940 camera alerts |
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HenryMitchell wrote: | Is anyone else having the same problems? |
I've had nothing but problems with the safety cameras on my 940. At first it wouldn't install upates to the safety camera. After two phone calls to TT support, it now won't even show or alert me about the cameras it seemed to know about a few days ago before the support team got me mucking about.... |
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HenryMitchell Regular Visitor

Joined: Jul 04, 2007 Posts: 139 Location: Godstone, Surrey
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Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 11:30 am Post subject: |
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I agree with all the points made here- the PGPSW data is the best around but also the most involved to install. Also do Road Angel think it will do their reutation any good being associated with this latest rubbish data set from TomTom? However to cotradict this RA's MD seemed to suggest on another thread here that the data they were supplying was the same as that used in their own (very reliable) units so does this mean TomTom are up to something?
I have this morning gone back to the PGPSW data and I'll wait and see if the TT data improves but I won't hold my breath... _________________ Device: GO 600, Live connected via iPhone 5.
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Darren Frequent Visitor

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Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 11:35 am Post subject: |
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HenryMitchell wrote: | However to cotradict this RA's MD seemed to suggest on another thread here that the data they were supplying was the same as that used in their own (very reliable) units so does this mean TomTom are up to something? |
I think that is a reasonable conclusion. We have found inaccuracies in their data but the large number of issues reported here would suggest the main issue is one the integration or delivery by TomTom and not RA's data. _________________ Darren Griffin |
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HenryMitchell Regular Visitor

Joined: Jul 04, 2007 Posts: 139 Location: Godstone, Surrey
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Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 11:51 am Post subject: |
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Darren wrote: | I think that is a reasonable conclusion. We have found inaccuracies in their data but the large number of issues reported here would suggest the main issue is one the integration or delivery by TomTom and not RA's data. |
I'd agree with that Darren.
I don't understand why TT seem to be reluctant to do the small amount of work that would be necessary to add the best camera alert system to what is already the best navigation unit in the world.
All they would need to do is:
1: Reliable locations and types. (Already provided by RA)
2: Allow user additions, not just reporting. (A bit like mapshare)
3: Allow spoken alerts (Already possible for POIs)
4: Introduce a constant warning from the alert distance right up to the location, ideally with a tone change to indicate above or below the speed limit. (Not difficult)
5: Larger on-screen icons. (Not difficult)
Easy if they put their minds to it! _________________ Device: GO 600, Live connected via iPhone 5.
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Darren Frequent Visitor

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Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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HenryMitchell wrote: | All they would need to do is:
1: Reliable locations and types. (Already provided by RA) |
And by us!
Quote: | 2: Allow user additions, not just reporting. (A bit like mapshare) |
As we do.
Quote: | 3: Allow spoken alerts (Already possible for POIs) |
As we do
Quote: | 5: Larger on-screen icons. (Not difficult) |
Again as we do.
Save yourself the bother and use ours, a 100% open service, with full feedback AND Lifetime Subscription offers. Oh and better data. _________________ Darren Griffin |
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HenryMitchell Regular Visitor

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Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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Darren, you don't need to sell them to me- I already have a lifetime subscription! The point I am making is that TT really ought to get it right as their paperclip expenditure is probably bigger than PGPSW's total annual budget. At least someone can get it right.  _________________ Device: GO 600, Live connected via iPhone 5.
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ziro Occasional Visitor

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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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Worst Cameras ever.
Even the latest update still didn't fix them.
I sware they just go to pubs and ask people roughly where cameras are and throw darts at where they think they might be. |
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