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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 12:47 pm Post subject: Is it legal to use a GPS with p.o.i.'s In Europe
Someone told me it was illegal to use speed camera detectors in France does this include GPS's with P.O,I's installed? or just radar detectors? can anyone throw some light on the subject.
Joined: Aug 31, 2005 Posts: 15157 Location: Bradford, West Yorkshire
Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 1:12 pm Post subject:
i'venoticed as well the new paper-based maps have speed camera locations on them. how hard must it be to follow a map while driving AND trying to look for speed cams on there?!
surely if gps equipment with speed cam locations become illegal they should also make use of the new paper maps illegal too?
ah ! the good old wireless and telegraphy act of the 1940's.
if the truth be known it may be raising its ugly head again.
it was never an offence to have such a device, only to use it for the purpose for which you bought it. this made it almost impossible to prove the offence hence its demise.
remember the cameras are placed in "high risk collision locations," and as such under the freedom of information act you have a right to know.
knowing of their location helps you to assist the government in reaching the target of reducing killed and serious injury road traffic collisions by 50% by 2010.
Joined: Aug 31, 2005 Posts: 15157 Location: Bradford, West Yorkshire
Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 3:36 pm Post subject:
matb wrote:
ah ! the good old wireless and telegraphy act of the 1940's.
i think this needs amending seriously! slightly off-topic, but considering the number of people using (illegal) fm transmitters in the uk to listen to mp3 players etc on car radio's you'd think they'd change their definition of a pirate radio-station to transmitting fm frequency's over 20feet - you can hardly call someone using an fm transmitter with a range of 10 or so feet a pirate radio station...
ah ! the good old wireless and telegraphy act of the 1940's.
if the truth be known it may be raising its ugly head again.
it was never an offence to have such a device, only to use it for the purpose for which you bought it. this made it almost impossible to prove the offence hence its demise.
Acksherly, the reason it was overturned / defeated by case law, wasn't because of obstruction / proof of intent. It was a challenge to the rationale behind the application (or mis-application) of the wireless and telegraphy act.
The rationale of the challenge to this being that the emissions from the RADAR gun contained no "information" merely EM "pings". Therefore RADAR detectors were doing nothing more illegal than any other METER that can measure EM emissions (ie the detector was doing nothing more than detect, it wasn't attempting to actually decode / receive signals, merely detect them).
Were it some kind of broadcast that were emitting some privileged message or information, that was being decoded or decrypted, it would have been a different matter, but the challenge quite rightly pointed out that there was nothing more tangible in the EM emitted from a RADAR gun, than, say emissions from door openers at supermarkets.
To be honest, I'd still expect something along the lines of obstruction to be possible, if provable. The flaw that got overturned, though, was using the wrong law, to quite feasibly prevent the use of devices thats use could be made unlawful by the application of other laws.
matb wrote:
remember the cameras are placed in "high risk collision locations," and as such under the freedom of information act you have a right to know.
knowing of their location helps you to assist the government in reaching the target of reducing killed and serious injury road traffic collisions by 50% by 2010.
And in complete fairness, many police forces actively publish and advertise where they have speed traps - both permanent, and temporary / mobile.
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