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jguiver Regular Visitor

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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 11:59 am Post subject: Estimated Journey Times |
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My apologies if this has been asked before and I have failed to search the forums adequately:
1. How does TTN5.1 calculate journey times?
2. What speeds does it use for different road types, assuming that's how it performs the calculations?
3. Is there a way of accessing the defaults and adjusting them?
From what I have read, this was possible in some earlier versions, but this may have been the subject of an 'enhancement'. _________________ HP rx5935, 2GB SD Card, TTN 6.1, GPSDash |
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lupos0_1 Lifetime Member

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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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Tomtom calculates the journey times by speeds that have been programmed in.
I believe that M'ways - 75MPH.
You could change the default speeds in V3 but not in V5, something that a lot of people complain about.
I find the best way to find out what speeds it uses is to plan a route in advanced planning and then play a route demo. The speeds will show you what tomtom uses. _________________ -------------------------------------------------------
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Bazzer Regular Visitor

Joined: Feb 17, 2005 Posts: 209 Location: Wirral
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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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This is something that I have previously queried. I am hoping that some of the techy people on this forum can answer this....
In CoPilot, while the road speed were not adjustable via the interface, it was possible to edit the part of the programme that contained the speeds.
These were held in a config file and this could be edited in Notepad and put back into the programme. Does anyone know where default road speeds are held in TT5, and can this file be edited ??
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jguiver Regular Visitor

Joined: Jul 26, 2005 Posts: 65 Location: No valid GPS Signal!
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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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lupos0_1 wrote: | Tomtom calculates the journey times by speeds that have been programmed in.
I believe that M'ways - 75MPH.
You could change the default speeds in V3 but not in V5, something that a lot of people complain about.
I find the best way to find out what speeds it uses is to plan a route in advanced planning and then play a route demo. The speeds will show you what tomtom uses. |
Thanks for that - good idea. I just tried a stretch of M27, and indeed it did use 75mph. Strange that it doesn't use 70mph, or lower for M ways.
There is also a period of acceleration from a standing start, so now I have a supplementary question:
4. What rate of acceleration is programmed into it? Is it Caterham 7 or 2CV? I guess I could replay demo mode @ 100%, and time it! _________________ HP rx5935, 2GB SD Card, TTN 6.1, GPSDash |
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joni Occasional Visitor

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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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I'm certainly not learned in this, but I think I recall that TT3 default for motorways was 65 mph which seemed sensible enough given the likes of the M25 etc.
I find it difficult to believe that the new fixed average speed on TT5 exceeds the speed limit. |
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gekko Occasional Visitor

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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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Well, believe it or not but this is what we have here in Norway:
Speed limit on most "motorways" (the best roads) are 80-90 km/h, on a very few places it is 100 km/h. TT5 uses 120 km/h when calculating a route on these roads. Needless to say that TT5 "always" wants you to go to a motorway, even if it is WAY out the intuitive route.
I second the idea by "Bazzer", someone with the ability should take a look at the TT5 program. The defined speeds are in there somewhere just waiting to be edited/corrected to real life.  |
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spangelsaregreat Occasional Visitor

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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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I find that driving at the speed limits and making maximum safe progress I am always arriving 5 to 10 minutes ahead of Tom Toms estimated times.
Obviously rush hour makes it upredictable but overall the timings are never out by much more than that. |
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Oldboy Pocket GPS Moderator


Joined: Dec 08, 2004 Posts: 10644 Location: Suffolk, UK
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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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lupos0_1 wrote: | I believe that M'ways - 75MPH. |
It's only in Demo Mode that TT shows 75mph. In the real world TT rates Motorways and multi lane dual carriageways at 67mph. Lesser A roads are rated at about 56mph.
The ETA is calculated by the aggregation of the Route still left to complete. If you were to drive on a Motorway for a long distance at a constant 70mph, the time to complete the journey reduces accordingly. _________________ Richard
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Bazzer Regular Visitor

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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Oldboy
Can the default road speed data be edited in any way, as can be done with CoPilot ? ie, editing the .Cfg file in Notepad, or similar, and re-inserting in the programme etc.
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Oldboy Pocket GPS Moderator


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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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No. That is held in the Map Data. Some Navigation Software have the ability to set up which which type of road you prefer (on a sliding % basis), but not TT.
The limited speed option on TT, say 55mph, just means that when building the route, TT treats all roads that are faster than that as having the same priority as the slower ones. You end up going down nearly every track.  _________________ Richard
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thekirbyfake Occasional Visitor

Joined: May 10, 2004 Posts: 38 Location: UK (in the Sarf)
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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Oldboy wrote: | lupos0_1 wrote: | I believe that M'ways - 75MPH. |
It's only in Demo Mode that TT shows 75mph. In the real world TT rates Motorways and multi lane dual carriageways at 67mph. Lesser A roads are rated at about 56mph. |
Not true.
You can test this by planning a route using A->B Advanced Planning and comparing the estimated time in Route Summary with the estimated time at the start of the Demo Route. _________________ HP iPAQ 2210; TT5 wired; 256Mb Kingston CF; 256Mb Viking SD; Arkon Powered Speaker Mount
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thekirbyfake Occasional Visitor

Joined: May 10, 2004 Posts: 38 Location: UK (in the Sarf)
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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jguiver wrote: | What rate of acceleration is programmed into it? Is it Caterham 7 or 2CV? I guess I could replay demo mode @ 100%, and time it! |
0-60mph in 26.5 seconds.
That'll be the deux chevaux then  _________________ HP iPAQ 2210; TT5 wired; 256Mb Kingston CF; 256Mb Viking SD; Arkon Powered Speaker Mount
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jguiver Regular Visitor

Joined: Jul 26, 2005 Posts: 65 Location: No valid GPS Signal!
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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thekirbyfake wrote: | jguiver wrote: | What rate of acceleration is programmed into it? Is it Caterham 7 or 2CV? I guess I could replay demo mode @ 100%, and time it! |
0-60mph in 26.5 seconds.
That'll be the deux chevaux then  |
Does TTN integrate with Calender?
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leonardo1 Occasional Visitor

Joined: Nov 21, 2005 Posts: 15 Location: Camberley, Surrey
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Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 2:33 pm Post subject: Old news |
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This may be old news to some of you, but last weekend I drove back from Coventry to Surrey and I was doing between 75-80 on M40.
I also have TTN5.1 to show the speed and most of the time it was showing 3-4 mph below the actual speed I was driving and consequently the ETA was about 10-15 mins longer than the actual journey time.
Not brilliant but not that bad either. _________________ TomTom Navigator 5.10 on Dell Axim 50v
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MJN Regular Visitor
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Joined: Nov 07, 2005 Posts: 69 Location: UK
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Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | I also have TTN5.1 to show the speed and most of the time it was showing 3-4 mph below the actual speed I was driving and consequently the ETA was about 10-15 mins longer than the actual journey time. |
I think you'll find it was TT showing the actual and not your speedo... |
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