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I also mentioned to them that wifi would have been better than bluetooth as most smartphone 'mobile hotspot' features use wifi instead of bluetooth. It would also allow MiFi's to be used. A missed opportunity in my book.
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The Garmin's that use a smartphone connection have a carrier approved app to set up the bluetooth connection so tethering is not an issue and these use minimal amounts of data. I agree about the mifi but some carriers charge extra for that also though there are workarounds.
Did you ask whether there would be an app or whether it would be on the user to set up a bluetooth connection and require tethering?
I'm also wondering did they specifically say GPRS? That's being phased out in the US pretty rapidly.
Joined: Jun 04, 2005 Posts: 19991 Location: West and Southwest London
Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:50 am Post subject:
pete1336 wrote:
JockTamsonsBairn wrote:
Is it "No custom POIs" or "No custom POIs YET"?
Am I misremembering that some previous models came to market without them and software updates added the feature?
I believe you are correct. I have the go 1005 and on initial launch I recall that did not support 3rd party poi's. It does now.
Some subtle differences here.....
At launch time the NAV3 models did not have the capability to add user-POI files, but you were still able to create POI categories on the device itself and then create individual POIs in those categories.
But on this new range, user-POIs don't exist at all (so far...) _________________ "Settling in nicely" ;-)
I use my 540 mainly for work - i have all my 300+ customer locations stored in a custom "Work" POI.
I was about to buy a Navigon 92 Premium Live last year but luckily noticed the manual i downloaded didn't mention how to create a new POI category. I queried this and discovered the only new POIs you could add were ones you had to pay for - so no customisable ones. Navigon UK told me that customisable POIs were going to be added as a future software update but to my knowledge that hasn't happened.
So i decided to stick with the 540 until the next suitable Garmin/Navigon or TT device came out. Looks like i've got to wait longer....
Another item to be added to the sticky "Some depressing lists - What's been dropped in new models"!
Joined: Mar 27, 2005 Posts: 208 Location: North East UK
Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:27 pm Post subject:
MRCC wrote:
I use my 540 mainly for work - i have all my 300+ customer locations stored in a custom "Work" POI.
I was about to buy a Navigon 92 Premium Live last year but luckily noticed the manual i downloaded didn't mention how to create a new POI category. I queried this and discovered the only new POIs you could add were ones you had to pay for - so no customisable ones. Navigon UK told me that customisable POIs were going to be added as a future software update but to my knowledge that hasn't happened.
So i decided to stick with the 540 until the next suitable Garmin/Navigon or TT device came out. Looks like i've got to wait longer....
Another item to be added to the sticky "Some jdepressing lists - What's been dropped in new models"!
Thats the same for me, nearly 1500 customers on mine.
Use poi every journey each day for work.
And what about the camera database from here?
""Your current, older-model 2G phone might not be able to make or receive calls and you may experience degradation of your wireless service in certain areas," AT&T cautioned in the letter. An AT&T spokesman, Mark Siegel, said the carrier hoped to use some of the 2G spectrum for new technologies."
Some opinion on 2G from someone in the machine2machine market here:
“My belief is that by 2013 or mid-2014, 2G/GSM in major [U.S.] cities will be non-existent,” said Hosain. “If AT&T can get Verizon spectrum, that may delay it.”
MaFt wrote:
offthegrid wrote:
Did you ask whether there would be an app or whether it would be on the user to set up a bluetooth connection and require tethering?
There's no app. It uses the phone's own bluetooth data sharing set up.
offthegrid wrote:
I'm also wondering did they specifically say GPRS? That's being phased out in the US pretty rapidly.
Yes, I specifically asked if it was GPRS, EDGE or 3G and they said specifically it was GPRS. Are you the one who queried this with us on Twitter?
Joined: Mar 18, 2004 Posts: 789 Location: Midlands UK
Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:08 pm Post subject:
Whatever country you are in the story is the same.
GSM/GPRS frequencies are being reduced to make way for for 4G which is more efficient for data transmission and cheaper to maintain.
It is a fact that data has now overtaken voice in terms of revenue for mobile operators.
If you own a smartphone then it is less likely you will be using it for voice calls than catching up on ebay, Facebook, emails, news etc. _________________ GO 620, Tomtom Android EU,
Garmin 2548LMT-D; 2599LMT-D
Joined: Apr 14, 2010 Posts: 1262 Location: West London
Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:15 pm Post subject:
So devices that get traffic via a smart phone are more future proofed than the 'always connected' devices? _________________ Mike R [aka Wyvern46]
Go 530T - unsupported
Go550 Live [not renewed]
Kia In-dash Tomtom
So devices that get traffic via a smart phone are more future proofed than the 'always connected' devices?
Devices that have both, AND CAN SWITCH BETWEEN THEM, would be the best option. This is why I'd like to know if I buy one with SIM and then don't subscribe, can I use the bluetooth instead, and have the best of both worlds? It would be far too easy for them to say subscribe or nothing.
Joined: Jan 10, 2004 Posts: 2777 Location: Bonnie Scotland (West Central)
Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:53 am Post subject:
matthewj wrote:
Devices that have both, AND CAN SWITCH BETWEEN THEM, would be the best option. This is why I'd like to know if I buy one with SIM and then don't subscribe, can I use the bluetooth instead, and have the best of both worlds? It would be far too easy for them to say subscribe or nothing.
If the device has an inbuilt SIM, what is the advantage of switching to using your phone? Subscribe to what? _________________ Jock
TomTom Go 940 LIVE (9.510, Europe v915.5074 on SD & 8.371, WCE v875.3613 on board)
Devices that have both, AND CAN SWITCH BETWEEN THEM, would be the best option. This is why I'd like to know if I buy one with SIM and then don't subscribe, can I use the bluetooth instead, and have the best of both worlds? It would be far too easy for them to say subscribe or nothing.
If the device has an inbuilt SIM, what is the advantage of switching to using your phone? Subscribe to what?
There could be two worthwhile reasons...
1 If GPRS is switched off, you can still have a working satnav with traffic
2 Mobile phone coverage can vary considerably by operator - your own smartphone might have better coverage in a particular area than Vodafone (I assume Tomtom will still use them...) _________________ GO 750 Live HD Traffic, Map Europe 930, Navcore 9.510
Devices that have both, AND CAN SWITCH BETWEEN THEM, would be the best option. This is why I'd like to know if I buy one with SIM and then don't subscribe, can I use the bluetooth instead, and have the best of both worlds? It would be far too easy for them to say subscribe or nothing.
If the device has an inbuilt SIM, what is the advantage of switching to using your phone? Subscribe to what?
I have a lot of trouble explaining this don't I? My idea must be odd, but I'll try to explain.
I can buy a TomTom with a built in SIM which allows it to connect to the HD Traffic servers. To have that work, I have to pay money to TomTom because they have to pay to the service provider. That subscription may be £47 as now, or whatever they choose to charge.
The alternative is that I buy a device that will use Bluetooth to talk to my phone, and then they don't charge anything for that service.
Such is easy. However, any particular cellular phone plan may or may not include tethering, and if included, it may be low cost, or expensive. As it happens, my current plan appears to include tethering at £1/day of use. Thus if I were to use the TomTom every work day, averaging 200 days a year, it would cost me £200 to use the phone. I could choose to change my plan, but that might cost me more too - I'm on a cheap plan right now, and one that includes "free" tethering is likely to be £10 a month more, so £120 a year. Both options are a lot more than the TomTom service charge, so right now I'd want the device with SIM.
The future happens though, and free tethering appears on my phone. I no longer want to subscribe to the TomTom service via their SIM, and it stops working. I would thus like the device to use my phone via Bluetooth instead, since that is now free to me. Thus it is important to me that if I buy the SIM-included option, that I can still use my phone's bluetooth when I want to. This gives me the flexibility to pay them, or if their service provider is down and my phone's isn't, to use my phone instead.
What I don't want is that the SIM included devices will ONLY work with the SIM if you pay, and never any other option. I'd have paid more for less flexibility. Given the device would support Bluetooth anyway, it would be a software controlled option, and thus a policy decision. To me, it makes a big difference as to whether I'd buy one of these new devices. They do look tempting...
Joined: Apr 14, 2010 Posts: 1262 Location: West London
Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 1:01 pm Post subject:
matthewj wrote:
I can buy a TomTom with a built in SIM which allows it to connect to the HD Traffic servers. To have that work, I have to pay money to TomTom because they have to pay to the service provider. That subscription may be £47 as now, or whatever they choose to charge.
If you buy a device with a SIM, you purchase lifetime traffic as part of the initial cost, there is no subscription. Assume always connected devices will be more expensive than smartphone devices. _________________ Mike R [aka Wyvern46]
Go 530T - unsupported
Go550 Live [not renewed]
Kia In-dash Tomtom
Joined: Aug 31, 2005 Posts: 15257 Location: Bradford, West Yorkshire
Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 1:06 pm Post subject:
matthewj wrote:
I have a lot of trouble explaining this don't I? My idea must be odd, but I'll try to explain.
Makes total sense now. I hadn't realised how soon GPRS was being phased out in 'merica which is why I, and I assume JockTamsonsBairn, queried why you would need both.
If they are really offering the SIM included devices with lifetime traffic, then that solves that problem (though I'd still like the option!). But then I just fear for the bandwidth caps that we have now, and they'd have no way to get more money to invest in that...
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