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Joined: Aug 31, 2005 Posts: 15257 Location: Bradford, West Yorkshire
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:48 am Post subject:
@ sixhundred
The presentation wasn't too bad to be honest - take that from someone who was actually sat in there watching in!
As for 'when and how much' no prices have been announced yet but the UK models should be out soon. I'm still waiting for confirmation of the dates but they suggested it would be for Summer.
@ matthewj
Not sure what you mean by this: "They would be wise to ensure that the 6000 model, with integration, is also able to use your phone if you don't pay for the GPRS to work." You wouldn't need to use your phone as the device has a SIM card built in and allows the traffic data to be access both at home and when roaming. There are no ongoing costs with this, just a higher purchase price initially.
At the moment they only had the 6" version with the 'always connected' option but they said that the 4.3" and 5" should also get that option too.
I also mentioned to them that wifi would have been better than bluetooth as most smartphone 'mobile hotspot' features use wifi instead of bluetooth. It would also allow MiFi's to be used. A missed opportunity in my book.
Joined: May 17, 2004 Posts: 212 Location: Fife Scotland
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:52 am Post subject:
Tethering generally means sharing your phones data plan via a wifi hotspot created on your phone.
I would be suprised if this 'bluetooth' data will come under that TBH.
Didnt the older TT devices work off the same principle for TMC traffic? There was no such thing as tethering plans and hotspots then, they just connected via bluetooth and used your existing WAP (as it was called then) data.
Joined: Aug 31, 2005 Posts: 15257 Location: Bradford, West Yorkshire
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:06 am Post subject:
Tomo wrote:
Tethering generally means sharing your phones data plan via a wifi hotspot created on your phone.
I would be suprised if this 'bluetooth' data will come under that TBH.
Well, technically, 'tethering' means being connected by a cable (i.e. a tether). On the iPhone the 'tethering' (personal hotspot) is by cable, wifi or bluetooth and each of these options requires a SIM plan with tethering.
Tomo wrote:
Didnt the older TT devices work off the same principle for TMC traffic? There was no such thing as tethering plans and hotspots then, they just connected via bluetooth and used your existing WAP (as it was called then) data.
That's correct but many phones lacked the BT DUN protocol that the TomTom required. I know on my HTC Artemis (T-Mobile MDA Compact III) I had to hunt out and install that Bluetooth protocol in order to use it.
And yes, in those days there were no tethering plans etc. However the overall amount of mobile data was massively lower than it is now and the the mobile networks cottoned on to the fact that they could make a lot of money from it. I used to use 70mb of mobile data in a month. Now I use around 4GB a month on average (although this month I've used 10.8GB). As it is, today we DO have tethering and personal hotspot plans and as much as it would be nice to not have them, the fact is we do. And I know a lot of people who don't want to pay the extra for tethering because they wouldn't use it that much.
It'll be interesting to see the price differences between the always connected and the BT connected devices.
Not sure what you mean by this: "They would be wise to ensure that the 6000 model, with integration, is also able to use your phone if you don't pay for the GPRS to work." You wouldn't need to use your phone as the device has a SIM card built in and allows the traffic data to be access both at home and when roaming. There are no ongoing costs with this, just a higher purchase price initially.
What I mean is that I would probably buy the one with the SIM built in, but then might want to not use that built in SIM but use my phone. Give me the choice.
When the original TomTom used the phone connection, I used to have bills of a few pence for driving around, and that was on a plan with no data allowance. As has been said, this all formalised into the "tethering" plans, and now I have a £1/day fixed fee. This is the big danger I think in these models. It will seem attractive to have lifetime traffic, but it could be very expensive for many. Why would I buy a PND that will cost me £200/year for traffic, when I can get the phone app and have it cost me the £15 subscription on my included data? This is why I think the choice is important - I could choose to pay TomTom for the subscription, or use my phone, if the device has the SIM but could use my phone if I'm not subscribed. If they say "subscribe or nothing" for the SIM model, then I have do guess about the future use, and that might make them lose a sale.
Joined: Jun 04, 2005 Posts: 19991 Location: West and Southwest London
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:03 pm Post subject:
I'd be VERY careful about your research to check if your phone (and tariff!) is compatible.
I just bought a new phone, and was fairly sure it would work, but it doesn't.
For a starter you need Android v4, but mine is v4.0.4 and it still doesn't have the right sort of BT tethering ("PAN" seems to be a relevant buzzword)
The new interface takes a LOT of getting used to. There's no "Navigate to..." so simple things like "take me home" take more screen presses than the old menu style, as it just SHOWS you were home is and THEN you have to poke at it on the map in order to say "take me there".
I find the distinction between "Navigation view" and "map view" is no longer as obvious as it was either.
The 3D view is quite slick and fast, but so far there is only a very dull grey and blue colour scheme. _________________ "Settling in nicely" ;-)
Don't worry, I won't be buying until I'm very happy it will work, and for a while. I want itineraries and POI for starters! And yes, you are right to point out that tethering is not available to all. Indeed, until yesterday I didn't think it was available to me, but it seems Orange have enabled it for me - that £1/day must make them money.
But it does look like they have stepped back and worked out what can be done with the modern technology, and that is a good thing.
Joined: Jan 10, 2004 Posts: 2777 Location: Bonnie Scotland (West Central)
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:33 pm Post subject:
matthewj wrote:
What I mean is that I would probably buy the one with the SIM built in, but then might want to not use that built in SIM but use my phone. Give me the choice.
I doubt very much that you could either use that SIM in your phone or your phone SIM in the PND.
matthewj wrote:
It will seem attractive to have lifetime traffic, but it could be very expensive for many.
It'll obviously depend on the premium for the "SIM-in" models, but I'd be surprised if the difference is prohibitive!
It seems to me that if you have a mobile contract that allows bluetooth tethering, then go for the n00 models.
If you don't, or if you travel abroad, then the n000 seems the more sensible option. (Based on my belief that later existing Live versions work abroad and that roaming data charges, on your phone SIM, will be extreme!) _________________ Jock
TomTom Go 940 LIVE (9.510, Europe v915.5074 on SD & 8.371, WCE v875.3613 on board)
The real deal breaker is whether the device is used abroad.
Although I pay for a smartphone contact that includes teathering, I use my TomTom in Europe on a regular basis and therefore the choice of the GPRS variant is a no brainer.
I am very conservative with my use of data roaming (normally turned off since many apps attempt to use this) and the costs of data roaming abroad are eye watering. I certainly dont intend any TomTom to run up the daily charge.
DaveJH
still a TomTom Go Live 950 user -the best of the old bunch perhaps!
Joined: Apr 04, 2006 Posts: 10118 Location: Bexhill, South Sussex, UK
Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 12:27 pm Post subject:
matthewj wrote:
I didn't think it was available to me, but it seems Orange have enabled it for me - that £1/day must make them money.
I get 250Mb of data/tethering and another 250Mb without tethering(I think) with my Orange contract at £10.50 a month. You need to call them and discuss their pricing. The retention team is who you want to speak to.
....NO custom poi!
Surely 99% of user need this feature.....
Absolutely agree with you. Given that TT have only just weathered the Hd traffic, Itinerary, GoogleSearch, etc. storms, could this be the final nail in their coffin?.
edited. _________________ Garmin Nuvi 2599
Android with CamerAlert, OsmAnd+, Waze & TT Europe.
TomTom GO 730, GO 930, GO 940 & Rider2.
SatMap Active 10 & 20.
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. This alone of course makes the rest of the conversation a waste of time. 
You need to call them and discuss their pricing. The retention team is who you want to speak to.
