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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reading the various articles I sold my Snooper on ebay. Blessing in disguise really because I immediately bought my TTG.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup, I've got an S4 and it will be prohibited when (if) the proposed legislation becomes law. Having said all that it's not very good anyway!
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers Johnboy, I will have to look into it, Thanks for the reply
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Folks, Can anybody recommend a good legal speed detector then.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm testing a Talex which is actually very good, the database appears to be very concise and the warnings are clear.

However I spotted an Ad in TopGear magazine for a product that includes a free subscription, if it is any good it could be a good deal at £299. See Drive Smart. I'll contact them and see if we can get one in for review.

With the outlawing of radar and laser it will ultimately be the quality of the database that makes a product worth purchasing, fancy looks and displays are worth nothing if the database is innacurate.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Darren, Re: The Talex, and Drive Smart units'

The Talex unit: Advertises: Talex, with GPS technology is not just a speed trap alert system, but a road safety device that will warn the driver of fixed, mobile, and red light cameras.

Aren't "Mobile Cameras" Laser or radar devices

The Drive Smart unit advertises: To reduce road traffic accidents and speeding offences. Our products enable users to reduce speed when it is most dangerous or when approaching all types of speed enforcement device, including the highly controversial safety camera and mobile laser traps.
Am I missing something here or does it say "Laser Traps"

Please can you comfirm exactly what is a Laser or radar camera

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Folks, I have just had a look at the Drive Smart Forum, from what I can see it is obviously a very new product with only a few posts on "Mobile Camera Locations" and the likes.

http://www.drive-smart.co.uk/forum/

Personaly I would be very wary of buying somthing as new on the market as this appears to be until it had a good track record.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whatever the camera type, all they are doing is reporting the location based on data in their database, they do not have 'active' detection so laser or whatever, for mobile units there may or may not be a van, car etc there but the location has been reported as a regular mobile haunt.

Does that make sense?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 8:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Apologies Reply with quote

Supersnapper wrote:

I have now purchased another GPS aid to complement my TTG, it's a Snooper S4 speed camera detector, one good point of this little unit is it can warn you if you are going over a certain speed limit set by the user ie: 70mph, it will tell you you are exceeding the speed limit. This unit is controled by satellite. I was just wondering if it would be possible to incorporate this feature into TTG's in the future.


SS - Just to go back to your original point, you can set TTG to blank the map if you go over a certain speed and it still gives instructions.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers Richard, I didn't know TTG could do that. Thanks for the info.

Thanks Darren, For the reply I think I will keep my Snooper S4 firmly on my dashboard for the time being. If it get's to the point of breaking the law then I will have to have another think about it, but I think it's a case of I would rather know where the mobile cameras are rather than take a chance on somebody sending info to a database.

I travel to some very remote parts of Wales with my job and so far I have uploaded about six mobile locations in just one week that were not on the S4 database already.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use a Cyclops GPS safety camera detector - excellent Laughing

It only warns me about cameras on my side of the road and up to half mile ahead. When it's not doing that, it gives me an accurate road speed (usually about 3mph less than dashboard speedo).

This is my first post so have patience if I c*** it up!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I appreciate that this reply is 'off topic' re TTGO however having read your comments re the Snooper device I have emailed them re the legality of the S4 and they have referred me to the web page at www.snooperuk.com which gives a response from the Dept of Transport, additionally I have received an email which states that even if the device is to be made illegal by use of the incorporated laser they will issue a cover free of charge to registered users to allow the device to be continually of use.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not much compensation when the reason I bought the unit in the first place was because of its dual detection facility. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bobmorris wrote:
I have received an email which states that even if the device is to be made illegal by use of the incorporated laser they will issue a cover free of charge to registered users to allow the device to be continually of use.


Ha ha ha, a free piece of gaffer tape. Wonderful. Wink

I seriously doubt that laser detectors actually work. Sure, they will tell you if you have been targeted, but the laser units used by the police can get a speed reading in .3 seconds. This is not enough time to react, let alone slow down enough to avoid being booked.

The detectors may pick up stray reflections from another vehicle which is being targeted but I think that's pretty unlikely, given the small spread of the laser beam.

I have to wonder why they are banning radar detectors at all. Here's the score:

Radar Detector vs:

Fixed Gatso: Good (will ignore dummy boxes)
Moblie Gatso: Good
Specs: Ineffective
Truvelo: Ineffective
Red Light: Ineffective
Laser: Marginal at best, probably ineffective

GPS and Camera Database vs:

Fixed Gatso: Good (can't distinguish between live and dummy boxes)
Moblie Gatso: Can report common mobile locations but there are so many mobile camera locations that it is pretty much ineffective.
Specs: Effective
Truvelo: Effective
Red Light: Effective
Laser: Same as Mobile Gatso


So, given an accurate database, the GPS based system will detect Specs, Truvelo, Red Light and Fixed Gatsos as well as warning the driver when they are in a mobile speed trap area.

By contrast, the radar detector can only effectively detect Gatsos but it has the added bonus that it will ignore dummy camera installations (although the camera may be a truvelo unit which doesn't use radar).

Of course, none of these systems are effective against VASCAR. Confused
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