Hi! We see you’re using an ad-blocker. We’re fine with that and won’t stop you visiting the site.
But as we’re losing ad-revenue from this then why not make a donation towards website running costs?. Or you could disable your ad-blocker for this site. We think you’ll find our adverts are not overbearing!
Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 11:35 am Post subject: SmartST V3 closes down after switch to other application
Has anyone else had the experience that SmartST V3 closes down when you switch to another application? The way Windows Mobile is supposed to work is that all applications stay up until you explicitly kill them from the task manager. Some people don't like this, but once you get used to it it's quite good.
It's quite common that I want to go into another application, e.g Calendar or Contacts, while running SmartST V3. When I want to return to SmartST I always find that it has shut down. This never happened with V2. The only reason I can think of is lack of program memory. If that's the reason it's strange that Windows Mobile doesn't notify you.
Joined: 14/09/2002 20:56:18 Posts: 5231 Location: Surrey, United Kingdom
Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 11:46 am Post subject:
No, mine doesn't close down unless I tell it to. The exception to this is if I switch the iPAQ off with SmartST still running and then swithc it on again after a long break (hours). I then find that I need to restart SmartST, but generally it is still there. I may sometimes need to tap on its icon, but it doesn't restart from scratch..... _________________ Tim
Maybe this is behaviour is only appearing on an iPAQ 2210...?
I will email Navman and ask. I hope I'll get a reaction from a few 2210 users to see if more people can confirm this problem. _________________ TomTom GO720T: App ver 8.351(9982/090518), OS:315187, GPS v1.20, Boot 5.5120
TT RDS-TMC: 4V00.013
Maps: Scandinavia v840.2562, Western_Europe v715.1703
Garmin GPSMap 60CSx (SW ver. 3.70)
Well, we'll see what response I get from Navman. My previous suspicions that the problem was connected to the BT Manager bug in iPAQ 2210 (Navman have promised a patch by the end of March) or my slow SD card could be eliminated after changing to a wired GPS receiver and a faster CF card... _________________ TomTom GO720T: App ver 8.351(9982/090518), OS:315187, GPS v1.20, Boot 5.5120
TT RDS-TMC: 4V00.013
Maps: Scandinavia v840.2562, Western_Europe v715.1703
Garmin GPSMap 60CSx (SW ver. 3.70)
Thanks for the mail. There is already an existing problem regarding Ipaq 2210 & SmartSt V3. The problem is yet to be resolved.
Not a whole lot of information but hopefully some patch for iPAQ 2210 will appear soon that makes our (or at least mine) lives easier while on the road... _________________ TomTom GO720T: App ver 8.351(9982/090518), OS:315187, GPS v1.20, Boot 5.5120
TT RDS-TMC: 4V00.013
Maps: Scandinavia v840.2562, Western_Europe v715.1703
Garmin GPSMap 60CSx (SW ver. 3.70)
Joined: Feb 20, 2004 Posts: 1154 Location: South Lancashire, UK
Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 5:06 pm Post subject:
No, my 2210 doesn't close ST down unless I tell it to either. Similar to Tim, if I switch the iPAQ off with SmartST still running and then switch it on again after a long break (hours) usually it is still there on the same screen it was on when I switched off.
Switching between programs doesn't cause ST to close down though.
Regarding an existing problem with Ipaq 2210 & SmartSt V3, I am confused as to why some 2210's suffer from this and BT dropouts regularly but others don't. Especially if they are running the same ROM revision.
I assumed the problem to be Bluetooth issues although your problem may be related. The latest version of MS Memory Manager is being too aggressive. It closes applications when it feels that memory is running low, but in the latest versions of this application it has been closing applications unnecessarily when there is still adequate memory available. _________________ Ian.
iPAQ 2210 | Navman 4100 BT Receiver
Navman iCN 635
TomTom GO
Anquet OS mapping
I assumed the problem to be Bluetooth issues although your problem may be related. The latest version of MS Memory Manager is being too aggressive. It closes applications when it feels that memory is running low, but in the latest versions of this application it has been closing applications unnecessarily when there is still adequate memory available.
This problem definitely isn't BT realated since I've skipped using a BT GPS receiver.
I have a feeling that you are close to the truth when you're speaking of the behaviour of the memory manager. May I ask you how much program memory you have free BEFORE and AFTER you launch SmartST?
On my iPAQ I have, before starting SmartST, 33.31 MB allocated to program memory out of which 24.17 MB are free to use. After SmartST is launched I have only 5.77 MB free. This is when I have ONLY south of Sweden activated. So, a simple calculation tells me that SmartST is consuming about 18 MB of program memory. Note that these numbers were recorded when I hadn't touched the slider control in the memory manager.
If you have much more program memory available than me before you launch SmartST that could actually explain why our systems behave so differently. In that case the only solution for me seems to be to uninstall a couple of applications.
One thing that I would be VERY interested to know what the memory usage is with SmartST V2. For me all problems appeared after upgrading from V2 to V3 which makes me think that the heavy memory usage in V3 is causing the problem. It would be nice if someone with SmartST V2 installed could give me a figure of how much that program uses.
I have similar problem with my IPAQ 2210 and the use of SmatrtST V3. All started after an upgrading from SmartST v2. Before upgrade i could run OziCe and SmartST on a same time and i was able to check my calendar or contacts and the programs runned fine on a background - but now that is gone. With SmartST V3 the program closes whenever i try to open contacts or calendar. OziCe starts but closes the SamrtSt an vice versa. Bluethoot gps connection remains live so i guess the problem isn't there. Also i tried to relase as much memory as i could by unistalling programs to bare minumum - didin't help.
Comparing that what you got after an upgrade i'm quite dissapointed about the memory consumpion and all.
Joined: Feb 20, 2004 Posts: 1154 Location: South Lancashire, UK
Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 1:08 am Post subject:
The thing is, the latest ROM revision for the 2210 is almost a year old so the Memory Manager is unlikely to be as recent as newer iPAQ's which are also known to exhibit these issues. Thats what makes this behaviour seem strange. It would be interesting to find out the Memory Manager version though if anyone knows where to obtain it.
However, the memory figures I have for comparison are:
Only Active Sync running:
Allocated 39.42MB
In Use 10.88MB
Free 28.54MB
With Active Sync and SmartSTv3 running:
Allocated 39.42MB
In Use 26.54MB
Free 12.88MB
Maps I have activated are entire UK, Ireland, Portugal and central Spain
That's roughly 166MB of installed maps.
From the above, SmartST is using a little over 15MB of program memory.
Why I dont suffer from the same symptoms I have no idea. What I can say is that I only ever have SmartST running when the iPAQ is being used for sat nav.
As this problem seems to be happening for quite a few people, has been accepted as an issue, with a fix to be released, I would consider uninstalling unnecessary applications for the short term until the fix is available. _________________ Ian.
iPAQ 2210 | Navman 4100 BT Receiver
Navman iCN 635
TomTom GO
Anquet OS mapping
As this problem seems to be happening for quite a few people, has been accepted as an issue, with a fix to be released, I would consider uninstalling unnecessary applications for the short term until the fix is available.
That's exactly what I did last night and it DOES indeed make a difference, that's obvious.
After a soft reset I have only ActiveSync and the RoyalTek GPS Driver loaded, which gives me 32.89MB of free program memory (without touching the slider control, that is).
After firing up SmartST V3 with South Sweden and Major Roads of Europe
I still have 14.80MB of free program memory, which gives me that SmartST is using 18MB of RAM (same figure as yesterday).
I can now switch between the applications without any of them getting closed by the memory menagar. Even when I switch off the the unit and switch it back on all applications are still running.
So, after a lot of testing and comparing I stick to the conclusion that the heavy memory usage in SmartST V3 (maybe combined with a less than perfect memory manager in iPAQ 2210) forces you to have very few applications installed at the same time on your unit to save program memory.
One last question is if anyone has tried to move the installation of SmartST V3 from main memory to a memory card (a similar thing was described at PocketGPSWorld for TomTom a few weeks ago). This would decrease the amount of main memory used for storage and give you more program memory. Just a thought.
Regards,
Ulf
PS: I'm still interested in how much program memory SmartST V2 uses while running _________________ TomTom GO720T: App ver 8.351(9982/090518), OS:315187, GPS v1.20, Boot 5.5120
TT RDS-TMC: 4V00.013
Maps: Scandinavia v840.2562, Western_Europe v715.1703
Garmin GPSMap 60CSx (SW ver. 3.70)
Joined: Mar 05, 2004 Posts: 71 Location: Buckinghamshire, England
Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 9:48 am Post subject:
I am having exactly the same problems as described in this thread.
I am using a 4150 and when I switch to another program, usually media player, it closes SmartST V3.
And like everyone else, when I was using V2, I had no problems _________________ HTC HD2 - Used only for Sat Nav (now using an iPhone 4 for phone)
NavNGo iGo8
GNS TMC Receiver
Becker MapPilot Integrated in Car
iPAQ 2210 latest (I believe) ROM n RAM n stuff installed
Storage (13.34, 5.06, 8.28) and does not really change unlike Program memory
(43.75, 10.07, 33.68) nothing "declared" as running
(43.79, 27.99, 15.76) V3 on its own
(43.75, 9.63, 34.12) BT only
(43.75, 27.82, 15.93) BT and V3 "talking"
(43.75, 27.85, 15.90) HUNG BT and V3 "not talking" symptoms: warning needs a soft reset as there is not enough free memory OR UTC time hangs yet screen shows active snapshot of satellites which is not refreshed AND BT device manager disappears from lower right hand corner of screen
I guess the triples make sense automtically in representation if not in explanation)
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 12:04 pm Post subject: Navman Shutting down on XDA2i
I had this problem along with many others when I tried to use SmartST V3 on my XDA2i. (WM2003SE inc broadcom BT)
I assigned a hardware button to V3 and very occaisionally it would come back however in most cases V3 restarted from scratch.
The most common reason for another app starting was an incoming phone call which left me half way through a journey with my navigator dead.
I also had monstrous problems with the bluetooth stack. To get navman to talk to BT i had to shut down BT start V3 switch to BT manager re-connect to the 4400 re-start V3 (hoping it wouldnt re-start from scratch)
Navman support (UK) tried very hard but nothing worked, (special thanks to John) and I got a refund from the great guys at Global Positioning Systems.
I now have Tom Tom 3 and it mostly works fine and we have 5 to look forward to in a few months.
Posted: Today Post subject: Pocket GPS Advertising
We see you’re using an ad-blocker. We’re fine with that and won’t stop you visiting the site.
Have you considered making a donation towards website running costs?. Or you could disable your ad-blocker for this site. We think you’ll find our adverts are not overbearing!
You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum
Or you could disable your ad-blocker for this site. We think you’ll find our adverts are not overbearing!
Hi! We see you’re using an ad-blocker. We’re fine with that and won’t stop you visiting the site.
But as we’re losing ad-revenue from this then why not make a donation towards website running costs?. Or you could disable your ad-blocker for this site. We think you’ll find our adverts are not overbearing!
Forum FAQ
Search
Usergroups
Profile
Log in for private messages
Log in
