are laser detection systems going to be made ilegal

robdeb · Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 7:06 pm Post subject:

it has

Tomo · Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 4:23 pm Post subject:

Tomo · Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 4:31 pm Post subject:

swing · Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 9:22 am Post subject:

ianst28 · Occasional Visitor Joined: Oct 03, 2004 Posts: 4

hi i deal with road angel in work and the latest i've heard from them is that gps systems will be ok but radar detection and blocker will not be allowed this is because gps systems detect blackspots and SAFTEY CAMERAS

swing · Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 5:41 pm Post subject:

Dave · Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 9:01 pm Post subject:

Don't connect the laser module and you'll be ok Laughing

Talkingbollox · Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 9:38 pm Post subject:

The new RA has built in laser detection, whilst the "classic" RA as Dave says has a separate module.

So ironically the newer version will become obsolete soon!

Dave · Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 12:03 am Post subject:

....and I was seriously thinking of putting the new RA on my Santa list. Oh well Rolling Eyes

Tim Buxton · Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 12:58 am Post subject:

And half of my Snooper S6-R Neo is going to become a door-wedge! Didn't work too well through the athermic glass, anyway. <sniff> I suppose I could mount it behind the front grille ot of view....
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ianst28 · Occasional Visitor Joined: Oct 03, 2004 Posts: 4

this is a copy of the memo we got cant say who from but product placement should give it away

At the moment there is no law preventing you from using any safety camera warning device (19 July 2004)

The department of transport have published a document outlining the proposed ban that states that it will prohibit the carriage of devices that either inhibit the proper function (laser or radar jammers) of a safety camera or detect the presence of a functioning safety camera (radar detectors)

Devices that use satellite positioning systems such as the road angel to give driver’s early warning of a speed camera will remain legal

Ministers believe that there is no problem with drivers simply being reminded of an approaching camera which should be highly visible anyway under rules introduced two years ago
The ban will instead focus on devices which tell drivers whether or not safety camera housing contains a live camera or a device that jams the signal of a live safety camera

The road angel and the new road angel do not transmit a signal and also do not detect any radar signals so will not come under the currently proposed ban

Hamish · Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 5:52 pm Post subject:

Two things occur to me:

1. Laser detectors (such as the plug-in one on my 'classic' Road Angel) aren't there to detect 'speed cameras' per se, but to detect the signals from a police officer's laser speed detector, which may or may not include a camera (it might have a speed readout only and rely on the officer's eyesight or binoculars to read the index number, for example). And so perhaps you would only be breaking the law if the officer on the motorway bridge had a camera linked to the laser gun, and you wouldn't if he didn't?

2. What is the definition of 'detect' - as in "detect the presence of functioning speed cameras"? Could it not be argued that a database in say a Road Angel or in TomTom or whatever, by pointing out "here is a speed camera and it works because someone has kindly uploaded this information in the past" is 'detecting' its presence?? Hope not... but I reckon we'll need to see one or two test cases to establish the law fully, assuming this paper becomes a Bill and is passed.

FWIW

Hamish
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nej · Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 6:23 pm Post subject:

I frequently detect cameras using my eyes. Maybe I'd better drive with my eyes shut to avoid breaking the law Laughing

ianst28 · Occasional Visitor Joined: Oct 03, 2004 Posts: 4

so from what i can work out and no'one can give me a straight answer all the old radar detectors eg snooper s1 etc will be illegal because they work on radar but the road angel and snooper s6/s4/s3 will be ok because they work on laser and gps
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caravanj · Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:11 pm Post subject:

When the first radar traps were introduced people were prosecuted for putting up roadside warning signs. This subject is not a black & white issue and has many anomolies. Under the current Wirless & Telegraphy Act it is not illegal to receive signals not meant for public reception. The only legal requirement is that the person receiving the signal ceases to receive it as soon as they are aware that they are not entitled to receive it. That's why scanning radios that cover police bands are not illegal. it is illegal, however, to continue to listen to a polce broadcast once you are aware it is patently a police transmission. Laser detectors and diffusers will probably be banned because their sole purpose is to detect or interfere with an incoming police laser gun signal and to prevent a speed reading being taken by transmitting a corrupting return signal for as long as the gun is attempting to get a reading. The banning of laser garage door openers will generate a whole raft of legal challenges because they are, ostensibly, designed to open garage doors and will shut down automatically within 5 seconds of receiving an unauthorised signal which still gives the police plenty of time to get a reading and gives the driver very little chance of reducing speed to avoid being caught.

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