New Mobile Phone Penalties Affect SatNav Use Too

Kremmen · Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:56 am Post subject:

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MaFt · Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:53 am Post subject:

Kremmen · Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 1:11 pm Post subject:

Left hand down a bit Very Happy

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sussamb · Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 1:39 pm Post subject:

DennisN · Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 2:03 pm Post subject:

MaFt is abnormal - he doesn't have sleeves to keep his watch warm because it would think he has a temperature. (And his arms are on back to front).
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Snudge · Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:33 pm Post subject:

sussamb · Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:51 pm Post subject:

Well I agree that if you're seen to drift off line regardless of what you're doing you could well be prosecuted for 'not being in proper control'

As for opinion, again it's not a question of opinion but law. I know what my friend was asked and his comment as an experienced sergeant in a roads policing unit is as I stated. I have no knowledge about PC Matt Picton nor do I know exactly what he was asked and how he replied. I know too well from other reports that the media is getting wires crossed in this area so without knowing the full context behind what is stated I wouldn't take it as fact.

In any case as has already been mentioned the new penalties apply to hand helds. Any penalty/law about phones in holders has not changed and I know of no case where someone has been prosecuted for simply touching a phone in a holder.

Edit: Having now read the article instead of just your post there are other inaccuracies as it says you can't touch a satnav while driving, which is rubbish as there is no law against doing so. Here are comments from 2 law firms which support what my friend has said:

http://www.motorlawyers.co.uk/offences/mobile_phone.php

http://www.grayandcosolicitors.co.uk/caught-using-a-mobile-phone-while-driving/

and in particular:

Pushing buttons on a phone while it is in a cradle or on the steering wheel or handlebars of a motorbike for example is not prohibited by this offence, provided you do not hold the phone. But again, should an accident occur, you can still be subject to prosecution.
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Snudge · Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 6:19 pm Post subject:

Yes, thanks for the links and I'm sure we all agree that the new penalties only apply to hand-held devices but when I said 'opinion' I was referring to being in control of the vehicle.

You may remember the case last year where the woman was prosecuted for peeling a banana whilst stationary in traffic - here

sussamb · Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 6:40 pm Post subject:

My apologies, I obviously misunderstood you when you said

Allan_whoops · Frequent Visitor Joined: Feb 18, 2006 Posts: 369

Not being in control has always been the case. Back in 1987, a citizen of the US who worked at the company was done for this and was most upset. We found out that she had gone past a marked police car on the M1. She was doing 70 but was eating a soggy pizza one handed at the time.

Due to the floppiness of the pizza, she was looking at the roof of the car while trying to bite off a chunk. For some reason, the police thought this wasn't on.

Her defence was that it was standard practice in the US.

sussamb · Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 7:27 am Post subject:

Snudge · Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 10:47 am Post subject:

...but the 'banana' girl was stationary in a traffic jam!

Does this mean that whenever you are stopped in traffic (vehicle in neutral and handbrake applied) you must have at least one hand on the steering wheel or you can be charged with not being in complete control of vehicle?

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