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Anita Pocket GPS Moderator
Joined: Mar 15, 2006 Posts: 3219 Location: Windlesham, Surrey
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Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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billwood wrote: | Another gripe - whywhen speaking a road number does it say eg. A five thousand three hundred & sixy four rather than simply state A five three six four, GRRRRRRRRRRRR |
The problem is we're inconsistent with the way we say road numbers. While we may prefer it to say A five three six four we would complain if it said M two five. _________________ Anita
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M8TJT The Other Tired Old Man
Joined: Apr 04, 2006 Posts: 10118 Location: Bexhill, South Sussex, UK
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Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, but TTS rules can be set up to dictate (if you'll pardon the pun) just how numbers are pronounced. Although not necessarily by the user.
But what about the A100 and the A125. 'A one hundred' and 'A one two five'? |
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marksfish Pocket GPS Verifier
Joined: Jun 25, 2005 Posts: 802 Location: Sandy, Bedfordshire
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Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2015 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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I wish I hadn't read this thread I hadn't noticed anything until today. My unit is not consistent with road names/ numbers. Main roads (A14 for example) are all number driven. Once you turn off, it is a mixture of road names and road numbers. I came across one roundabout that said 2nd exit to **Cambridge Road, the next roundabout said straight over to A620 even though it was the same road (and Cambridge Road was showing in the top banner).
** Road name/ number may be different as can't totally remember.
Mark _________________ Garmin Drivesmart 51 LMT-D Europe |
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AuldMike Occasional Visitor
Joined: Apr 17, 2007 Posts: 16 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 10:34 am Post subject: |
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Sorry to spoil your satnav pleasure.
I wrote to Garmin suggesting that for the UK, if a road has a number then use it. That would be in-line with the road signs and safer.
Unfortunately, Garmin do the opposite. If they can find a road name then the road number is omitted. I encountered A roads with two digits Axx, and still the Nuvi gave me the local road names. These names were not visible in local road signs.
I don't hold much hope of Nokia, who do the maps, changing their database to swap road names for numbers. Be prepared for junctions using road names a lot.
As I mentioned in earlier correspondence, it is a serious problem where lane discipline is required, especially with Britain's infatuation with roundabouts.
TTS: I have a non-satnav application where if the speech engine encounters a word with letters and numbers, it spells it out. Works well most of the time. |
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BigJohnD Frequent Visitor
Joined: Aug 26, 2007 Posts: 400 Location: Glannau Mersi, Lloegr
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 11:54 am Post subject: |
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AuldMike wrote: |
I wrote to Garmin suggesting that for the UK, if a road has a number then use it. That would be in-line with the road signs and safer.
Unfortunately, Garmin do the opposite. |
I've suggested the same to Garmin, especially at roundabouts where street names are never shown, only road numbers and destinations, on the approaching signs. |
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sussamb Pocket GPS Verifier
Joined: Mar 18, 2011 Posts: 4462 Location: West Sussex
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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Actually Garmin have been increasing the use of road numbers compared with names with each map update for the last couple of years but it's a bit like junction views etc, each map update there are more. _________________ Where there's a will ... there's a way. |
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Kremmen Pocket GPS Verifier
Joined: Mar 03, 2006 Posts: 7123 Location: Reading
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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My local main north to south route into Heathrow is still referred to as 'The Parkway' by Garmin instead of the A312 or even 'Hayes ByPass' that is on a few road signs.
I would imagine a lot of people using this route are travellers unsure of the area and nowhere on any street sign or nameplate is parkway visible. _________________ DashCam:
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cottonsocks Regular Visitor
Joined: Apr 29, 2010 Posts: 189
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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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I wish I had known about Garmin making such extensive use of road names rather than road numbers at junctions as I don't think I would have bought it if I had known this. I only gave it its really first good test today and several times when I approached busy main roundabouts I didn't know which approach lane to be in because my Garmin was not telling me the road number, thus rendering the markings on the road and traffic signs useless. I think I may have to revert to my TomTom if Garmin are going to continue with this. I'm going to write to them this evening to see what they have to say. |
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sussamb Pocket GPS Verifier
Joined: Mar 18, 2011 Posts: 4462 Location: West Sussex
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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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Well Garmin are introducing more road numbers where appropriate, but generally if you're told to take the 3rd exit for example just take the third exit. You'll see the signs that tell you which road is the third exit as you approach. _________________ Where there's a will ... there's a way. |
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pcaouolte Frequent Visitor
Joined: Dec 27, 2006 Posts: 998 Location: South Lincs, UK.
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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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Several times today my Garmin has instructed me to turn "onto the road". This seems to be where it does not know the number or the name of the road. The "onto the road" part of the instruction is unnecessary.
I also don't need to be told to take the exit "on the left" when on a motorway as I have never seen an exit on the right in this country (if there is one I would be happy, in that exceptional case, to be told to take the exit on the right).
I do find the Garmin to be very chatty compared to the TomTom, it often uses more instructions than I need to get safely to my destination. For example "in two miles enter the roundabout" is not necessary as I will arrive at the roundabout and automatically enter it. Today it even said "Continue on the road" .
Sometimes it would help to have more detail when turns are close together, for example it has directed me onto a slip road which leads to a roundabout on several occasions without any advance indication of the direction that I should take at the roundabout so I have no idea which lane to get in on the slip road until I am actually on it in a two lane queue.
I agree with others that it should direct me onto the A1 rather than the "Doncaster Bypass". _________________ Paul |
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cottonsocks Regular Visitor
Joined: Apr 29, 2010 Posts: 189
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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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sussamb wrote: | Actually Garmin have been increasing the use of road numbers compared with names with each map update for the last couple of years but it's a bit like junction views etc, each map update there are more. | I hear what you say, but the point is, one often has to get into the correct lane on approach to a complex roundabout and if the lane markings are all marked up as A4103, A67 (S) or whatever, it's not much use to be told to take the third exit to Chichester Way if you don't know the road number. |
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M8TJT The Other Tired Old Man
Joined: Apr 04, 2006 Posts: 10118 Location: Bexhill, South Sussex, UK
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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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Is not 'Take the third exit' a bit of a clue as to your positioning on approach?
Having said that, the road numbers where relevant would be better. Even better would be 'Take the third exit. A259, towards Hastings' if that's what the road sign said, rather than 'Third exit onto Bexhill Road'. |
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Kremmen Pocket GPS Verifier
Joined: Mar 03, 2006 Posts: 7123 Location: Reading
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Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 5:50 am Post subject: |
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It sounds like Garmin don't road test their decisions. Street names are silly if you are in strange territory and on major roads. _________________ DashCam:
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cottonsocks Regular Visitor
Joined: Apr 29, 2010 Posts: 189
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Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 7:46 am Post subject: |
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Kremmen wrote: | It sounds like Garmin don't road test their decisions. Street names are silly if you are in strange territory and on major roads. | Exactly. Potentially dangerous too. Yesterday I was approaching a busy major traffic junction with only basic instructions from my Garmin, "Take the third exit, blah blah road" and when I got to the roundabout it was all marked up into lanes with the numbers of the exit roads. I just had to make a guess as to which lane to be in, which for a device costing over £200 is not acceptable. If Garmin don't respond in a positive way to this then my nice new sat nav will probably be heading off to ebay. |
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Kremmen Pocket GPS Verifier
Joined: Mar 03, 2006 Posts: 7123 Location: Reading
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Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:20 am Post subject: |
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My built in Alpine SatNav goes into super zoom at such junctions and roundabouts and shows exactly where you are, continually updated, and is almost like watching a smooth video.
It also announces "Next Exit" where appropriate and is very accurate.
I think M8's SatNav is the same model.
Unfortunately, since 2015, Honda have switched to an Android head unit with built in Garmin as the SatNav. One of the reasons I'm not getting a new Honda. _________________ DashCam:
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