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Darren Frequent Visitor
Joined: 11/07/2002 14:36:40 Posts: 23848 Location: Hampshire, UK
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Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 10:16 am Post subject: Pioneer unveils NavGate Head-Up Display |
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I have to admit that, this year, much of the news coming out of IFA in Berlin was rather boring. But Pioneer stood head and shoulders above the rest with their uber cool NavGate HUD system.
This isn't the first time we've seen a HUD solution of course, Garmin pipped Pioneer to the post with a dash mounted system, but NavGate is a fully fledged head-up display.
Mounted to the sun visor and connected to a smartphone running CoPilot Live or iGo Primo, it projects high resolution navigation data including turn directions, POIs, road hazards etc in your line of sight.
NavGate can also display time, current speed, road speed limit, distance to destination and ETA.
NavGate will be available in October and we hope to have a review unit soon.
Source: Pioneer.eu.com
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IanS100 Frequent Visitor
Joined: May 05, 2008 Posts: 870 Location: Southport
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Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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Sounds like it could be a nice bit of kit, let down by their choice of navigation software (CoPilot) _________________ Galaxy Note 4 / TomTom GO : CamerAlert : CoPilot |
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DennisN Tired Old Man
Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 14902 Location: Keynsham
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Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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So the phone navigation thing on the dashboard of the above picture is simply a sad person like me who likes to run several nav systems side by side? _________________ Dennis
If it tastes good - it's fattening.
Two of them are obesiting!! |
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IanS100 Frequent Visitor
Joined: May 05, 2008 Posts: 870 Location: Southport
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Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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DennisN wrote: | So the phone navigation thing on the dashboard of the above picture is simply a sad person like me who likes to run several nav systems side by side? |
or a sad person who likes to run the one sat nav in several different places _________________ Galaxy Note 4 / TomTom GO : CamerAlert : CoPilot |
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druck Regular Visitor
Joined: Dec 19, 2003 Posts: 96 Location: Surrey, England
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Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:56 am Post subject: |
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This at last looks like a real HUD, i.e. projects an image focused at infinity, so you don't have to refocus your eyes to see it, rather than the simple reflecting a screen off a semi-reflective patch on the windscreen which is so often incorrectly described as a HUD. |
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M8TJT The Other Tired Old Man
Joined: Apr 04, 2006 Posts: 10118 Location: Bexhill, South Sussex, UK
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Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:05 am Post subject: |
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druck wrote: | .....which is so often incorrectly described as a HUD. | As HUD is short for heads up display, if it's a display and you can see it without looking away from your normal view, then surely it is a HUD, regardless of focus? |
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tdenson Occasional Visitor
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Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:09 am Post subject: |
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M8TJT wrote: | druck wrote: | .....which is so often incorrectly described as a HUD. | As HUD is short for heads up display, if it's a display and you can see it without looking away from your normal view, then surely it is a HUD, regardless of focus? |
Strictly speaking, if you interpret it literally, yes. However, HUDs have been in use in the aviation world for donkeys years and a lot more is implied by the term than just where the display is mounted. |
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MaFt Pocket GPS Staff
Joined: Aug 31, 2005 Posts: 15320 Location: Bradford, West Yorkshire
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Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:50 am Post subject: |
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The same could be said for people using "a GPS app" on their smartphone. Technically speaking they are not using GPS, they are using a mixture of cell-triangulation, wifi-location technology and GPS. If they're in Russia or CHina then they could be using GLONASS or Beidou respectively. But at the end of the day, we know exactly what they mean when they say they're using "GPS".
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K13ehr Lifetime Member
Joined: Jul 12, 2008 Posts: 286
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Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 11:27 am Post subject: |
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It might be a leap forward, but the scroats will see that a mile off, and relieve you of it very quickly, as it'll take a while to wrap it all up out of sight, and set it up again after a quick nip into the newsagents etc
It also looks like a prototype, what's needed is a tiny projector on top of the speedo binnacle and all the rest of the gubbins hidden away, not a display of techno ornamentation.
And the comment about running two sat navs together, the blurb says it needs a separate app running for it to work anyway as it's not standalone yet either.
God only knows how much they'll want for it. |
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alix776 Pocket GPS Moderator
Joined: 03/05/2003 14:45:49 Posts: 3999 Location: leyland lancs ENGLAND
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Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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That could be useful for multidrop drivers in city centres as you wouldn't have to look away from the road for directions
As for copilot i use it everyday for multiple deliveries as it routes fine _________________ currently using aponia truck navigation on windows phone. Good bye IOS don't let the door hit you on the way out .
Oh the joys of being a courier.
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MaFt Pocket GPS Staff
Joined: Aug 31, 2005 Posts: 15320 Location: Bradford, West Yorkshire
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Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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K13ehr wrote: | it needs a separate app running for it to work anyway as it's not standalone yet either.
God only knows how much they'll want for it. |
The Garmin dashboard one was about $100 - which needs to link to actual GPS hardware.
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K13ehr Lifetime Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 7:03 am Post subject: |
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Hmm, not too horrifically priced then, but as said a pain to hide, a smaller fitted unit would be much better.
I'd also be a little concerned about the distraction it might cause being in the eyeline all the time, would you quickly get used to it being there, and ignore it until needed, also what about different light conditions affecting the usability of it.
The normal way still seems better to me in that it takes no more than the slightest glance to see the next turn, and mostly the voice is enough unless the street ends are many and close together.
Perhaps a better way would be to have the nav screen in the centre of the dash binnacle perhaps even acting as the speedo seeing as they're supposed to be more accurate anyway, but it would have to be made so that it can be attahced to different sat nav boxes so it can be kept updated regardless of make and also allow POIs to be added and uploaded, a bit like some car radios accept a lead from iPods or other MP3 players, it's just providing the speaker, likewise the binnacle is only providing the screen. |
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carl_w Lifetime Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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MOT regs have something about cracks/stickers/etc. in line of sight in the windscreen. Obviously you would take it off prior to an MOT.
But… what happens if you're involved in an accident and this is proven to be in your line of sight? To be a HUD I presume you have to look "through" the glass of the device. |
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Wishlist Lifetime Member
Joined: Mar 10, 2005 Posts: 160
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Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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DennisN wrote: | simply a sad person like me who likes to run several nav systems side by side? | Ha, a true map enthusiast (I really mean nut), I can empathise with that! |
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Skumba Occasional Visitor
Joined: Nov 07, 2009 Posts: 13 Location: Kent, England
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Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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K13ehr wrote: | It might be a leap forward, but the scroats will see that a mile off, and relieve you of it very quickly, as it'll take a while to wrap it all up out of sight, and set it up again after a quick nip into the newsagents etc
It also looks like a prototype, what's needed is a tiny projector on top of the speedo binnacle and all the rest of the gubbins hidden away, not a display of techno ornamentation.
And the comment about running two sat navs together, the blurb says it needs a separate app running for it to work anyway as it's not standalone yet either.
God only knows how much they'll want for it. |
The Peugeot 3008 has had a HUD for over three years, and it works VERY well while being "un-scroatable" as it folds down into the dash when cutting the motor. I almost bought the car just for the HUD.
Oh, and now that I'm on TT v9.15, they STILL can't get their metric speed conversions right. WAKE UP THERE, TOM TOM. _________________ IPAQ H2210 1993.... GO LIVE 1005 Europe 2011, 1005 Camper 2015, 5200 WFi 2016 and TT still can't get metric speed limit info right in the UK. 70mph is NOT 115kmh. It is 113 as my old IPAQ knew so well! |
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