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Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:45 am Post subject: Go 600 or Go 6000?
I want to upgrade my Go 1000 to one of the new 6" models but I'm not sure which connection option to go with.
I could wait until August for the Go 6000 which is "Always connected" via it's own SIM like my Go 1000, or I can get the Go 600 "Smartphone connected" model right now.
The Go 6000 is £80 more, and also the 2G network it connects to will be phased out in the not too distant future. However it is a stand-alone device.
The Go 600 on the other hand is cheaper, connects faster and is more future-proof but it does rely on a smartphone connection which is what I'm not sure about.
First, I can't find out anywhere if my iPhone 5 will connect simultaneously to my car's bluteooth hands-free system and the TomTom at the same time.
Also, I have heard that the iPhone cannot access the internet during a phone call. Does this mean that if I am on a lengthy call I would have no live services?
Also, the iPhone Personal hotspot does not stay switched on. It switches itself off after a while if not used. Would I have to fiddle around switching this on every time I get into the car?
Lastly, I also have a 3G-enabled iPad. Could I use this instead, leaving the phone free for voice calls?
Both the iPhone and the iPad are freed-up for tethering...
Can anyone offer any advice or have any experience with these problems? _________________ Device: GO 600, Live connected via iPhone 5.
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Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 2:06 pm Post subject:
Well I went from the 1000 to the 500 rather than the 600
Was concerned about tethering to the iPhone (Power drain),
But can honestly say its brilliant, as it uses the bluetooth it has little drain, I have used it no full working days (10+ Hours on the road) and still had battery left.
My car has a built in Blue&Me VoiceSystem, and the iPhone connects to both at the same time with no issues.
Personally have not seen any loss of traffic data when on a phone call, but longest calls are around 10mins so cannot 100% vouch for that
NO problems at all with hotspot reconnecting, even after days leave BT hotspot turned on all the time, and it just reconnects every time I get back in car and TT switches on Data is online with live traffic in less than 30 seconds
Would I go back to the old system. NOT A CHANCE.
This really was a case of things can only get better, and compared to the 1000 series they certainly have.
Would I prefer the Built in SIM option on the new device, 100% No, I always have my phone with me and this is so foolproof and easy ot use I genuinly forget I am using it.
EDIT -- Forgot to add, just tried it and it does connect to the iPad 3 or 4 by Bluetooth hotspot no problem at all, so you can take that route as well
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 3:16 pm Post subject: Re: Go 600 or Go 6000?
HenryMitchell wrote:
Also, I have heard that the iPhone cannot access the internet during a phone call. Does this mean that if I am on a lengthy call I would have no live services?
Just to pick up on that, the answer depends on the signal you have. With 2G, this does apply, as you essentially use the single connection available for either data or voice. For 3G or 4G you have multiple channels available, so you can make a voice call and use data at the same time. Apple promoted this in their early adverts - you can browse the web while talking.
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:56 pm Post subject: Re: Go 600 or Go 6000?
iPhone 5 work without any issue with the Go500 and as stated not much battery drain and TT quote a hours driving everyday uses around 7mb per month.
O2 offer a travel data bolton for 15mb of data a day for £1.90 or something so using the Go in Europe wont brake the bank -if the EU keep pressure on the telecom co hopefully voice and data will fall further (which will again next year).
Maybe it was my setting Im sure it was not but I posted in the forum before that i was talking to my sister for around a hour and ended up in a jam on the A12 could be the network single is so poor down the A12.
O2 state: You can access the internet and make and receive calls at the same time when using Wi-Fi or 3G. While on the call double tap the Home button to see the option for Safari appear at the bottom of the screen you can use this while continuing your conversation.
If you’re accessing the internet via GPRS or EDGE incoming calls with divert to voicemail.
Bluetooth no issue I play music in the car via its bluetooth connection and am connected to the TT unit.
Thanks all- I've just ordered a Go 600! _________________ Device: GO 600, Live connected via iPhone 5.
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Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:41 am Post subject: Re: Go 600 or Go 6000?
HenryMitchell wrote:
and also the 2G network it connects to will be phased out in the not too distant future.
Hi, not sure where this information is coming from, but there's absolutely no substance in it whatsoever, 2G will be with us globally for many years to come, i can only assume it's the usual mis advertising from the telcos.
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Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:33 pm Post subject:
Yes, it's confusing to me. On the one hand you have mobile companies talking about re-allocating 2G wave bands to boost 4G and 3G speeds. On the other there are millions of remote sensors providing information to centralised automated computer systems over the 2G network. These new smart meters that every household is meant to be getting were/are going to be 2G. So the mobile companies cannot shut down 2G without disabling critical data applications. _________________ Mike R [aka Wyvern46]
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So the mobile companies cannot shut down 2G without disabling critical data applications.
The key though is "do they care"? I suspect that the coverage is such that they can probably keep a single cell operational on any tower, which gives 8 channels, and most services are low use, so this isn't going to be a problem. Some towers may have a complete removal, perhaps in a city centre, and due to the patterns mostly that will just reduce the signal strength as there will be another nearby. The number who would lose signal for these static applications would be quite small.
The bigger issue would be any larger data user, perhaps of mobile data travelling around and finding more "misses" in coverage - satnav users. Here, the key will be the contract that someone has for data service, and whether the cell company chooses to make a business milking these users by giving good service to them.
So the core facility may last for a long time, but you probably don't want to be planning on any new project using such services unless you are sure of the contract long term, and the coverage you are promised. The "use your mobile" x00 options therefore guarantee that you can change to suit the world you experience, and are probably the best bet.
Me, I'd still like to know if the x000's can use a cell or their built in modem.
So the mobile companies cannot shut down 2G without disabling critical data applications.
Me, I'd still like to know if the x000's can use a cell or their built in modem.
I'll say it again, 2G, with its present coverage will be with us for many years to come, the UK, being decidedly 3rd world in its 3/4G coverage, would just not work, here in Mid Wales, there is no 3G at all, with regards your actual question, the built in GPRS modem in the 5/6000 use a 2G connection, so i am not sure just what you actually meant, perhaps you could re phrase the question
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Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:13 pm Post subject:
dennisf wrote:
I'll say it again, 2G, with its present coverage will be with us for many years to come, the UK, being decidedly 3rd world in its 3/4G coverage, would just not work, here in Mid Wales, there is no 3G at all, with regards your actual question, the built in GPRS modem in the 5/6000 use a 2G connection, so i am not sure just what you actually meant, perhaps you could re phrase the question
2G is the bread and butter revenue earner for voice calls and texts, so it will be with us for many years to come, as much of the country does not have any 3G coverage.
Vodafone is useless on 3G anyway, which is why I have my smartfone locked to only use 2G.
4G is only used for data by EE, and I expect Vodafone and O2 will be the same. _________________ GO 620, Tomtom Android EU,
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Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:25 pm Post subject:
OK, @dennisf (or anyone!)..... If 2G coverage or power is NOT being reduced, are you able to come up with any other explanation for why so many TomTom devices are finding it harder to connect to the network now? _________________ "Settling in nicely" ;-)
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Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:33 pm Post subject:
As I've written elsewhere about another 2G device, I believe that 2G capacity has been reduced, at least by EE, and possibly other providers. This means that the initial data download on turning on the device has to wait for capacity to become available, but once that initial download has occurred, the much smaller update downloads take place OK. There are some times in the day eg late afternoon, when the initial download will not connect.
Perhaps we need to keep our TTs permanently turned on? Except they turn off after several minutes of no activity.... _________________ Mike R [aka Wyvern46]
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OK, @dennisf (or anyone!)..... If 2G coverage or power is NOT being reduced, are you able to come up with any other explanation for why so many TomTom devices are finding it harder to connect to the network now?
As a Vodafone contract user, i can say with some certainty that at busy times, i can make calls, when those on payg get network busy, so there are levels of priority, and i assume the same goes for GPRS, perhaps TomTom have a 'cheap' deal which places their users at the bottom of the queue, who knows, i doubt anyone would own up to it. Over the years all my connected devices have been slow at aquiring their initial fix.
perhaps TomTom have a 'cheap' deal which places their users at the bottom of the queue, who knows, i doubt anyone would own up to it.
This is indeed important, and I hinted at it in my response where I said that the contracts are important. TomTom appear to have a contract for a fixed amount of data (hence the range being reduced, see my analysis on that), and I suspect it is probably a low priority on the network too. Why not?
This is not about the removal of 2G service, but about the downgrading of it. That must plainly happen if the carriers are being allowed to switch 2G bandwidth to 4G without any controls (which is happening). The key is what effect it has on any particular user, and I think most won't notice it, but a roving 2G user is more likely to find the weak spots than a static user.
I think that most phones sold today "assume" 3G. The iPhone used to allow you to turn off 3G to save battery. Now it only allows you to turn off 4G.
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