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AliOnHols Pocket GPS Verifier
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Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 9:54 pm Post subject: Optimised Itineraries, Nav3 & app. |
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Although I do not have a TT Nav3 device I do have the latest version of the Android TT app. The app does not allow for the creation of itineraries but it does allow 5 "via" points on a route, something which I believe it shares with the Nav3 TT's.
On the app, these "via" points appear to get optimised. Are they also optimised on the Nav3 PND's?
Edit, I meant Nav3 not Nav4, now corrected. _________________ Garmin Nuvi 2599
Android with CamerAlert, OsmAnd+, Waze & TT Europe.
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Andy_P Pocket GPS Moderator
Joined: Jun 04, 2005 Posts: 19991 Location: West and Southwest London
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Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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On NAV3 devices you only get THREE waypoints before the final destination.
It does make SOME attempt to sort the waypoints as you add them into a sensible order, but I think it just uses distance as the crow flies, and it's easy to fool into making bad decisions. _________________ "Settling in nicely" ;-) |
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AliOnHols Pocket GPS Verifier
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Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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That's a pity, I thought TT were giving us an improvement for a moment back there. I'll check to see if the sorting on the app is purely by distance or by direction also.
Thanks for the reply Andy_P, much appreciated. _________________ Garmin Nuvi 2599
Android with CamerAlert, OsmAnd+, Waze & TT Europe.
TomTom GO 730, GO 930, GO 940 & Rider2.
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DennisN Tired Old Man
Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 14901 Location: Keynsham
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Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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AliOnHols wrote: | That's a pity, I thought TT were giving us an improvement for a moment back there. |
They HAVE given you an improvement - they've removed all that silly stuff with itineraries, so you don't have to bother with them any longer.
They've made loads of improvements over the years. Probably one of the most significant being that they don't last as long so you can justify buying a new one far more often.
Edit to add... For example, look at this poor guy. He's still on the ancient GO300 he had in 2007 and six years later thinks he'll replace the battery. If only he'd waited and got a 1000, he could be already in line for buying a new model. _________________ Dennis
If it tastes good - it's fattening.
Two of them are obesiting!! |
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Oldboy Pocket GPS Moderator
Joined: Dec 08, 2004 Posts: 10643 Location: Suffolk, UK
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Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 6:23 am Post subject: |
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DennisN wrote: | ... He's still on the ancient GO300 he had in 2007 ... | You should really be sorry for my brother-in-law - he's got my original Classic GO (with original battery) - and can only Navigate from A-B (and do 48 waypoint itineraries). _________________ Richard
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TT Via 135 App 12.075: Europe Map v1135 |
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Andy_P Pocket GPS Moderator
Joined: Jun 04, 2005 Posts: 19991 Location: West and Southwest London
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Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 11:50 am Post subject: |
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Poor thing!
They just don't know what missing features they're missing! _________________ "Settling in nicely" ;-) |
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exportman Frequent Visitor
Joined: Mar 26, 2006 Posts: 261 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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Hi
Dont know if this will work with everything but TYRE says it will now work with the devices that use Mytomtom to load Itineraries to Tomtom PNDs
Think this happened as they have a deal with Tomtom who now distribute the TYRE software with the new Rider device |
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Andy_P Pocket GPS Moderator
Joined: Jun 04, 2005 Posts: 19991 Location: West and Southwest London
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Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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Hi exportman.
It's all smoke and mirrors....
There's nothing Tyre can do to add the missing Itinerary functionality to the new models, it's simply not possible.
What they have come up with as a WORKROUND, is to turn a route devised in Tyre into a LARGE number of POI points (upto every 50metres or so) along the roads.
when that is displayed on screen you can see a "ribbon" of icons, which you are supposed to follow manually.
But that means you won't even get audible or visual navigation instructions or ALG etc. at junctions, because you are not actually following a route at all. _________________ "Settling in nicely" ;-) |
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tgold Regular Visitor
Joined: Nov 07, 2004 Posts: 98 Location: UK or USA from time to time.
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Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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Andy_P wrote: | What [TT] have come up with as a WORKROUND ... | I guess the good news is that it shows TT must now recognise the demand for this feature. |
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Andy_P Pocket GPS Moderator
Joined: Jun 04, 2005 Posts: 19991 Location: West and Southwest London
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Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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Er no.... TT didn't come up with it as a workround at all, the people at TYRE did.
TT have never even admitted that leaving off itinerary planning was a problem at all, let alone a being a major marketing blunder on their entire new range.
However, they have APPARENTLY promised that some form of Itinerary planning with loadable and savable routes will reappear on the soon to be launched NAV4 models.
We wait and see.... _________________ "Settling in nicely" ;-)
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dhn Frequent Visitor
Joined: Oct 08, 2007 Posts: 2544 Location: Toronto CANADA
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Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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Not in public they haven't admitted it, no.
But.............. _________________ David |
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AliOnHols Pocket GPS Verifier
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Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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Just tested my TT Android app and it definitely optimises the "Via" points irrespective of distance. It lists them in the most sensible order to drive. Huzzah! TT are learning.
I did get the number of available Vias wrong though. The order is -- present location, four vias and destination. _________________ Garmin Nuvi 2599
Android with CamerAlert, OsmAnd+, Waze & TT Europe.
TomTom GO 730, GO 930, GO 940 & Rider2.
SatMap Active 10 & 20.
Last edited by AliOnHols on Fri May 10, 2013 11:06 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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AliOnHols Pocket GPS Verifier
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Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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Doh! thought that I'd try a more complex route just to make sure.
Barcelona to Girona via four villages around Aylesbury in Buckinghamshire. This was the result for the vias --
As you can see, definitely not optimised and Vias#1, 2 & 3 missed completely, just like the old days. _________________ Garmin Nuvi 2599
Android with CamerAlert, OsmAnd+, Waze & TT Europe.
TomTom GO 730, GO 930, GO 940 & Rider2.
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Andy_P Pocket GPS Moderator
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Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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Nice one AliOnHols, I bet you had the same difficulties as I did, trying to work out the best experiments to show what the routing does!
I ended up using a long straight road near me as the main start and destination, and adding points on various side-roads as the vias. _________________ "Settling in nicely" ;-) |
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AliOnHols Pocket GPS Verifier
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Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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Andy_P wrote: | ....I bet you had the same difficulties as I did ... | . Agreed, It's not so easy trying to randomly insert locations when you only have three or four options.
I was happy with my initial, local test though. That worked every time, it even re-optimised the whole route when I deleted a via and added a new one. _________________ Garmin Nuvi 2599
Android with CamerAlert, OsmAnd+, Waze & TT Europe.
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