Subscription Renewal & New Members.

SlimboyFat · Lifetime Member Joined: Jan 27, 2004 Posts: 58

I personally don't think that the Lifetime Subscribers should have this removed. Yes, I am somebody who was lucky enough to get a FLS but this was the deal at the time. I have continued to submit (including another "1st to submit").

Somebody earlier mentioned that banks change the offer constantly but if I was given a Lifetime offer from the bank which was later removed I could easily move banks.

I agree with changing the offer for new spotters as they will be have "signed up" to the new agreement when they submit the camera. The only time anyone could complain is if they state they paid their subscription on the hope of getting a FLS so maybe the new terms would have to commence on members next renewal.

As for the poll, this was very one sided. It was not clear whether we where voting about current FLS or new FLS and most people would not want to post saying they would not be happy to have their FLS removed and how many of the voters where not FLS.

I would be more than happy to have the option of a voluntary donation option.

lenfish · Occasional Visitor Joined: Sep 30, 2009 Posts: 49

1.Run the site on a franchise basis and invite the Department for Transport to organise the bidding process for you or (more seriously)

2.Bite the bullet and award 1 years free subsciption for successful camera submissions whilst inviting existing "lifers" to voluntarily relinquish their status to assist the continuation of the site.

Len

Darren · Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:36 pm Post subject:

To prevent this thread going downhill any further, we've had a discussion and whatever happens with the lifer award for future subscribers, those who have been awarded to date will not lose their life member award. That is agreed and will not change.

We are considering an option that would allow existing life members to make a voluntary payment as a contribution. Those life members who did so would have their donation recognised with a new rank to recognise their support.

Moving forwards, the preferred option for a new reward model would be to move to a 6mth or 1 year Free Subscription, added to the balance of any existing subscription. There may also be some system to reward multiple qualifying cameras so that subscribers will have opportunities to tot up rewards. That way those who do the most work to support the database get the most reward.

Thank you for all your comments, positive and otherwise, it's never easy when major changes are proposed but sometimes we have to make touch choices.
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DennisN · Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:38 pm Post subject:

bmuskett · Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:46 pm Post subject:

Well, I agree with you, but Darren and "they" know the numbers, so presumably they think it will work. I hope so.

unwanted · Occasional Visitor Joined: Jan 31, 2006 Posts: 34

Halohero · Occasional Visitor Joined: Nov 11, 2006 Posts: 6

DennisN · Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 12:39 am Post subject:

MegaTum · Occasional Visitor Joined: Oct 03, 2006 Posts: 1

I may not contribute often but I occasionally submit camera locations in the vain hope of not having to have cash leave my back pocket. :o)

Surely the reason for the continued existence of this database is quality and accuracy of the details it holds? Whatever decision is finally made it is important that this doesn't change going forward. For some it will be the pleasure of seeing their name on an email, for others it's not having to pay. Personally, I feel that a lifetime of free use is too much but people do need to be rewarded. It is, however, vital that the submissions continue otherwise the USP of the database is lost.

Can I suggest a points based system and when a user crosses a threshold then they received their reward? There could a tiered range points (and I'm making these up):

You could exclude certain cameras from receiving re-confirmation "reward points" where they are deemed more permanent.

Once someone earns 100 points they get their reward (say 50% or 100% discount off next payment - that's your 6 months or 1 year free). Alternatively, every point earned is a 1% discount off your next subscription? This would reward those who are active in reporting (although you may get someone who does the same cameras every few months to build up points but these cameras could then be excluded from the reward programme).

Anyway, that's my suggestion, for what's it's worth.
Dave

peterc10 · Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 8:53 am Post subject:

Despite suggestions to the contrary there may be legal problems with taking this benefit away. There could well be some form of contract between PGPSW and each life member. It does not need money to change hands to make a contract, so no "sale" as such is needed. What it needs is consideration. And that does not have to be monetary, but is must have some "value". The consideration given by the member is the submission of the camera. The consideration given by PGPSW is the lifetime membership. Both have a value and they could made a binding contract between the parties.

But all this is academic because PGPSW have decided not to revoke the life memberships.
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