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Guivre46 Frequent Visitor
Joined: Apr 14, 2010 Posts: 1262 Location: West London
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Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 4:04 pm Post subject: HD Traffic 6.0 |
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Press release, nothing mentioned about the range though..... _________________ Mike R [aka Wyvern46]
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Greenglide Lifetime Member
Joined: Apr 04, 2006 Posts: 295 Location: South East Northumberland, UK
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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Impressed by the "From today, this service is available in Germany and The Netherlands, and will be available in 23 countries before the end of 2012."
I wonder if it will require a new NavCore to break my TT Go 540 (yet again)?
So, basically, they are advertising a new version of HD Traffic which promises to give, ermmmm, what was promised by previous versions and TMC before that
I was never impressed with the peice of string round the windscreen to get TMC, but the GPRS version worked so they withdrew that (strangely that put the data transfer costs on the owner, not TT - odd) _________________ TomTom Go 540 - V9.058, Map GB & Ireland 860.3101
TomTom Go 520T, V8.351, TTS V7, Map GB & Ireland 855.2884
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cjay2412 Lifetime Member
Joined: Jun 30, 2008 Posts: 103
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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65% more road closures reported sounds promising. I assume this is a back of house upgrade not dependant on navcore. hope so still waiting for my navcore update for free daily map changes must have the only device to not be updated yet |
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DennisN Tired Old Man
Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 14902 Location: Keynsham
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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Another unsubstantiated soundbite from TomTom. Is there somewhere on the device which says what version of HD Traffic you are using?
"If you have a Live device, you've got HD 6, believe me I'm a TT PR guru." "If you've got HD 6, your traffic service is now 65% better than last week, believe me I'm a TT PR guru."
"If you've got a Live device, you've got speed cameras updated OTA, believe me etc."
If you've got a Live device, you've got up to date Fuel prices, believe me, etc." _________________ Dennis
If it tastes good - it's fattening.
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M8TJT The Other Tired Old Man
Joined: Apr 04, 2006 Posts: 10118 Location: Bexhill, South Sussex, UK
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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I thought that you didn't do cynical Dennis. Oh sorry, just remembered, it's subtle that you don't do. Trust me, I'm the other tired old man. |
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technik Lifetime Member
Joined: Mar 18, 2004 Posts: 789 Location: Midlands UK
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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cjay2412 wrote: | 65% more road closures reported sounds promising. |
If 65% of roads are actually closed then something is wrong. _________________ GO 620, Tomtom Android EU,
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DennisN Tired Old Man
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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65% are closed, 15% are (according to TomTom) changed.
Thank God for MapShare (and Twitter and Facebook connectivity) to cover the remainder! _________________ Dennis
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M8TJT The Other Tired Old Man
Joined: Apr 04, 2006 Posts: 10118 Location: Bexhill, South Sussex, UK
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:24 am Post subject: |
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technik wrote: | cjay2412 wrote: | 65% more road closures reported sounds promising. | If 65% of roads are actually closed then something is wrong. | You mis-understand. It's not 65% of roads that are closed, it's TT admitting that they have been telling us about only 35% of the road closures that you have been paying them good money to tell you about |
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DennisN Tired Old Man
Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 14902 Location: Keynsham
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:30 am Post subject: |
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Ooo, perish the thought! (And how come you're back to "bright" this morning? Had your morning cuppa in bed already?) _________________ Dennis
If it tastes good - it's fattening.
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MrT Frequent Visitor
Joined: Nov 14, 2003 Posts: 2143 Location: Surrounded by A1, M1 & M25
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:54 am Post subject: |
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As the amount of HD Traffic information increases the range from the device which it covers can only get shorter unless the data capacity increases and maybe they have found a way of doing this?
Of course once the information is totally accurate but down to a range of 100yds from the device it will be as good as the human eye in spotting traffic delays. _________________ Drivelux |
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matthewj Frequent Visitor
Joined: Apr 03, 2006 Posts: 751
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:09 am Post subject: |
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M8TJT wrote: | technik wrote: | cjay2412 wrote: | 65% more road closures reported sounds promising. | If 65% of roads are actually closed then something is wrong. | You mis-understand. It's not 65% of roads that are closed, it's TT admitting that they have been telling us about only 35% of the road closures that you have been paying them good money to tell you about |
You have to be so careful when handling statistics. The BBC Radio 4 programme "More or Less" goes into this a lot. And indeed, the recent XKCD http://xkcd.com/1102/ shows the true meaning of the TomTom 65% increase. Remember, back in the HDv4, they added manual processing of closed roads. Before that, there were close to NO closures reported. Then they started adding some, perhaps 1% of closures. In this latest version, a 65% increase could be as few as 2% of the total to achieve this increase. Now, I suspect it will be bigger, but it doesn't mean that there are now 65% of road closures reported, just that 65% more than the previous number reported will be. |
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DennisN Tired Old Man
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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MrT wrote: | As the amount of HD Traffic information increases the range from the device which it covers can only get shorter unless the data capacity increases and maybe they have found a way of doing this? |
Yep. They've given you Twitter and Facebook so that you can all go Social Network to warn each other of traffic jams. All you need do is drive in convoys so that the guys at the front can twit the facebooks at the back that there's a jam ahead and the guys in the middle can say how slow it is. _________________ Dennis
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M8TJT The Other Tired Old Man
Joined: Apr 04, 2006 Posts: 10118 Location: Bexhill, South Sussex, UK
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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@matthew.
Yep just so. If there were 100 closures and TT reported one of them than an increase to reporting two of them is 100% increase, but still not very good coverage. |
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DennisN Tired Old Man
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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cjay2412 wrote: | still waiting for my navcore update for free daily map changes must have the only device to not be updated yet | Well, I don't update mine either - by choice. Are you seriously not being offered Mapshare updates? Shouldn't you be counting your blessings?
Actually, now that I have two devices running side by side on the same map versions, I'm tempted to get mapshare on one of them to see what the fuss is all about. Maybe. Not promising - they are slow enough as it is already. _________________ Dennis
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cjay2412 Lifetime Member
Joined: Jun 30, 2008 Posts: 103
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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 1:42 am Post subject: |
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DennisN wrote: | cjay2412 wrote: | still waiting for my navcore update for free daily map changes must have the only device to not be updated yet | Well, I don't update mine either - by choice. Are you seriously not being offered Mapshare updates? Shouldn't you be counting your blessings?
Actually, now that I have two devices running side by side on the same map versions, I'm tempted to get mapshare on one of them to see what the fuss is all about. Maybe. Not promising - they are slow enough as it is already. |
nope not getting them on sony xnv unit have emailed customer support and they said my unit is not supported yet but an update will be relised later this year. |
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