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technik Lifetime Member
Joined: Mar 18, 2004 Posts: 789 Location: Midlands UK
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:06 am Post subject: |
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TomTom's map pricing is no different to that of toilet rolls.
Buying a pack of four toilet rolls is cheaper than buying two packs of two.
Ordnance survey want £51.05 just for a map of Southern England that you can use on your smartphone. _________________ GO 620, Tomtom Android EU,
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dhn Frequent Visitor
Joined: Oct 08, 2007 Posts: 2544 Location: Toronto CANADA
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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If you are complaining about the cost of the Poland map, just check out how much people have to pay for a map of New Zealand --- and the size of the map. _________________ David |
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mccririck Frequent Visitor
Joined: Mar 21, 2010 Posts: 330 Location: Midlothian
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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technik wrote: | TomTom's map pricing is no different to that of toilet rolls.
Buying a pack of four toilet rolls is cheaper than buying two packs of two.
Ordnance survey want £51.05 just for a map of Southern England that you can use on your smartphone. |
But is a pack of 2 the same price as a pack of 4? |
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mccririck Frequent Visitor
Joined: Mar 21, 2010 Posts: 330 Location: Midlothian
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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dhn wrote: | If you are complaining about the cost of the Poland map, just check out how much people have to pay for a map of New Zealand --- and the size of the map. |
Well that is a total rip-off. I can only think it's because demand is low, however I bet a large number of people get it from dodgy websites. NZ population is only 4.4 million. Poland is 38 million. |
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mccririck Frequent Visitor
Joined: Mar 21, 2010 Posts: 330 Location: Midlothian
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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USA map is £34.95 and 1.5GB |
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DennisN Tired Old Man
Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 14901 Location: Keynsham
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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Poland map so tiny? The Greece one is only 32.9 M but is the same price. Like the man said, I can't be doing my own mapping, so I pay the asking price. If they ask too much, I don't buy. Simples!
This pricing argument is the ancient one used fallaciously to "legitimise" piracy. Pay the nice man for his labour and he'll work again. Cheat him of his money and he'll stop working. _________________ Dennis
If it tastes good - it's fattening.
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mccririck Frequent Visitor
Joined: Mar 21, 2010 Posts: 330 Location: Midlothian
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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DennisN wrote: | Poland map so tiny? The Greece one is only 32.9 M but is the same price. Like the man said, I can't be doing my own mapping, so I pay the asking price. If they ask too much, I don't buy. Simples!
This pricing argument is the ancient one used fallaciously to "legitimise" piracy. Pay the nice man for his labour and he'll work again. Cheat him of his money and he'll stop working. |
Piracy is real though, it happens. Now, perhaps the prices are high because of piracy, or perhaps it's the other way around... |
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PaulB2005 Pocket GPS Moderator
Joined: Jan 04, 2006 Posts: 9323 Location: Durham, UK
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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Seriously. If you don't understand the basics of Market Forces then you are not well enough equipped to take the stance you take.
Jumping up and down screaming "it's not fair" just doesn't wash in the adult world. |
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avdl1999 Regular Visitor
Joined: May 16, 2009 Posts: 82
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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PaulB2005 wrote: | Seriously. If you don't understand the basics of Market Forces then you are not well enough equipped to take the stance you take.
Jumping up and down screaming "it's not fair" just doesn't wash in the adult world. |
Would this credo apply to the state of the Fuel pumps and it's pricing?
Just saying that sometimes it's fair to scream and shout about the price of something. Especially the taxation of fuel. Something like £0.70 tax in £1 worth of fuel. Hardly fair.
Back to the topic in question. Fair comment from the OP just worded badly,and thus got peoples backs up. You get what you pay for at the end of the day. |
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PaulB2005 Pocket GPS Moderator
Joined: Jan 04, 2006 Posts: 9323 Location: Durham, UK
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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avdl1999 wrote: | PaulB2005 wrote: | Seriously. If you don't understand the basics of Market Forces then you are not well enough equipped to take the stance you take.
Jumping up and down screaming "it's not fair" just doesn't wash in the adult world. |
Would this credo apply to the state of the Fuel pumps and it's pricing?
Just saying that sometimes it's fair to scream and shout about the price of something. Especially the taxation of fuel. Something like £0.70 tax in £1 worth of fuel. |
Maybe it is fair where the causes can be determined, such as in the case of fuel tax. However the OP has no knowledge how much it costs to produce maps or what level of sales the relevant markets will provide which in turn drives the prices. In the case of fuel the tax helps explain the high price. We know what is causing the high prices. In the case of the maps perhaps there is a low demand for maps of Poland leading to a high cost per map of Poland. Or as Mike already said perhaps the price is right for Poland and the more popular European maps are priced to make less per map but with higher number of sales. |
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Calomax Lifetime Member
Joined: Sep 30, 2005 Posts: 988 Location: St Martin's, Guernsey
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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Isn't it a case of supply and demand? I guess there are far fewer people who would want a Poland map than would want the whole of Central or Eastern Europe.
And, not that this site would condone it anyway, but I don't think it's possible to get dodgy maps from dodgy sites. _________________ TT Go Essential |
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mccririck Frequent Visitor
Joined: Mar 21, 2010 Posts: 330 Location: Midlothian
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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Well considering TomTom have a bit of a monopoly on their own maps I wouldnt quite call it a case of supply and demand in a free market sense. If you want to buy additional maps after you purchase a TomTom you are at TomTom's mercy and they can make up the prices as they see fit since there's no competition to keep them reasonable. |
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DennisN Tired Old Man
Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 14901 Location: Keynsham
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Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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mikealder wrote: | If you don't agree with the price the simple answer is don't purchase the product, if everyone did this TomTom would lower there prices |
_________________ Dennis
If it tastes good - it's fattening.
Two of them are obesiting!! |
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xtraseller Frequent Visitor
Joined: 15/07/2003 22:59:27 Posts: 1050 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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I think the point here is that companies like TomTom would benefit from a more flexible offering
Then when you need a country rather than do without because it isn't worth £xx to YOU as part of a package of larger maps, you could buy just the one at a more realistic price
Oddly (considering most other things they do regarding map updates) Mio (who incidently use TomTom's TeleAtlas Maps) offer Map Rental (3 Day, 10 Day and 30 Day) which sometimes solves the problem
I think data costs and processing costs are pretty irrelevant in this day and age - as it is all automated, the cost is proportional to the spend and data transfer
I would have though what you want - ie. Poland for a tenner - won't be too far away from being a reality with every mapping provider - and I think it would be fair if this was a rental of say 12 months when it would disappear or you could re-subscribe and get another 12 months use (for example) plus new data _________________ TomTom Go Live 6100, 600
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Andy_P Pocket GPS Moderator
Joined: Jun 04, 2005 Posts: 19991 Location: West and Southwest London
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Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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xtraseller wrote: |
I think data costs and processing costs are pretty irrelevant in this day and age - as it is all automated, the cost is proportional to the spend and data transfer | .
I love the way facts like this are bandied about...
Do you have any idea how TomTom compress and process the Teleatlas data?
No, I don't either, but I wonder why they still have all those employees working in the mapping department? |
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