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RobBrady Frequent Visitor
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Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 11:17 am Post subject: Safety Groups Oppose The Big Speed Camera Switch Off |
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There's been a lot of talk about speed cameras this week with many organisations joining the heated debate as to whether some local authorities were right in their decision to turn their cameras off. Now that the government has ended central funding, it will be interesting to see how many other councils join the big switch off.
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents (RoSPA), The AA, the Institute of Road Safety Officers and the Parliamentary Advisory Council for Transport Safety have joined six other safety groups to issue a joint statement.
The statement said:
We the undersigned agree that:
* Speed cameras help to save lives - an estimated 100 lives a year in the UK.
* Lives are saved by reducing speeding. Speeding significantly increases the risk of an accident happening; and also increases the severity of injuries in an accident.
* Cameras should continue to be used where casualty statistics show they are needed.
* Switching off cameras systematically would be close to creating a void in law enforcement on the road. Cameras currently account for 84 per cent of fixed penalty notices for speeding.
* Cuts might also threaten many speed awareness courses that give motorists an opportunity to learn about the dangers of driving too fast.
* While public spending needs to be cut, cuts must be justified by evidence. Cameras pay for themselves and currently make an important contribution to achieving compliance with the speed limit.
Signed:
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents (RoSPA): Tom Mullarkey MBE, Chief Executive
The AA: Edmund King, President
Association of Industrial Road Safety Officers (AIRSO): Graham Feest, Secretary
CTC - the UK’s National Cyclists’ Organisation: Kevin Mayne, Chief Executive
GEM Motoring Assist: David Williams MBE FIRSO, Chief Executive
Institute of Road Safety Officers: Darren Divall, Chairman
London Road Safety Council: Councillor Peter Herrington, Chairman
Parliamentary Advisory Council for Transport Safety (PACTS): Robert Gifford, Executive Director
Road Safety GB: Alan Kennedy, Chairman
RoSPA has issued its defence of speed cameras: “Ten Reasons to Maintain Speed Camera Enforcement”.
Also this week, The Telegraph reported the announcement of a new scheme whereby local residents of Consett in County Durham and surrounding villages are to be given training by police and a budget of £5,000 by the council to use cameras to identify speeding drivers. Offenders would not be prosecuted, but would be sent warning letters. If it proves successful, authorities hope the initiative could be rolled out nationwide. _________________ Robert Brady |
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Guivre46 Frequent Visitor
Joined: Apr 14, 2010 Posts: 1262 Location: West London
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Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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Well I find I totally agree with their statement about 'where casualty figures justify it'. Because there is the feeling that many of the sites are 'tricksy' to raise revenue rather than reduce casualties. Now we need a review about how they are used, as said already, clear marking, link to traffic lights, average speed rather than at one single point etc. _________________ Mike R [aka Wyvern46]
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wildcard Occasional Visitor
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Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 5:30 pm Post subject: Are cameras a source of revenue ? |
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We all seem to believe that cameras are there for the revenue - a view encouraged by the populist press and speeding drivers everywhere. But how can this be so if central government funding is required to keep them running ( at least in Oxfordshire ) ? |
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JimmyTheHand Frequent Visitor
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Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 7:37 pm Post subject: Re: Are cameras a source of revenue ? |
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wildcard wrote: | We all seem to believe that cameras are there for the revenue - a view encouraged by the populist press and speeding drivers everywhere. But how can this be so if central government funding is required to keep them running ( at least in Oxfordshire ) ? |
At the back of my mind is the niggling doubt that the cameras were thought of as a cheap way to police the roads and increase "statistics" in the governments favour - without actually doing anything _________________ J. |
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Border_Collie Pocket GPS Verifier
Joined: Feb 01, 2006 Posts: 2543 Location: Rainham, Kent. England.
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Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 9:23 pm Post subject: Re: Are cameras a source of revenue ? |
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wildcard wrote: | We all seem to believe that cameras are there for the revenue - a view encouraged by the populist press and speeding drivers everywhere. But how can this be so if central government funding is required to keep them running ( at least in Oxfordshire ) ? |
Extract from Medway Cabinet Meeting.
Quote: | 4.16 The cost of the mobile CCTV vehicle on a three year lease basis would be £1,525 per month, this cost would be off set against the generated income from the PCN issue, it is anticipated that in addition to self funding the CCTV unit this will also generate surplus income to the Council. |
Believe? 4.16 is surely proof. _________________ Formerly known as Lost_Property
And NO that's NOT me in the Avatar. |
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Skippy Pocket GPS Verifier
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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 7:58 am Post subject: Re: Safety Groups Oppose The Big Speed Camera Switch Off |
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News Team wrote: | We the undersigned agree that:
* Speed cameras help to save lives - an estimated 100 lives a year in the UK. |
So you install 5,000 cameras and you save only 100 lives per year, ie each camera saves just 1 life every 50 years, what a pathetic waste of resources. People have paid a high price for this minuscule increase in road safety. _________________ Gone fishing! |
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Darren Frequent Visitor
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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:11 am Post subject: Re: Are cameras a source of revenue ? |
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wildcard wrote: | We all seem to believe that cameras are there for the revenue - a view encouraged by the populist press and speeding drivers everywhere. But how can this be so if central government funding is required to keep them running ( at least in Oxfordshire ) ? |
This is because when originally conceived, revenue raised went to the camera partnerships.
Some time back this was changed so that revenue went to central government instead.
The move by partnerships to withdraw cameras is being made to illustrate this point and I guess 'encourage' the government to return them to self funding status. _________________ Darren Griffin |
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Skippy Pocket GPS Verifier
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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 10:11 pm Post subject: Re: Are cameras a source of revenue ? |
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wildcard wrote: | We all seem to believe that cameras are there for the revenue - a view encouraged by the populist press and speeding drivers everywhere. But how can this be so if central government funding is required to keep them running ( at least in Oxfordshire ) ? |
Because the income from the cameras goes to the government, not the camera operators. The government then pay the camera operators to cover the cost of running the cameras.
Since the cost of installing, maintaining and operating a camera is less than the amount of revenue generated by that camera, the government makes a net profit.
Simples. _________________ Gone fishing! |
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M8TJT The Other Tired Old Man
Joined: Apr 04, 2006 Posts: 10118 Location: Bexhill, South Sussex, UK
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Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:15 am Post subject: Re: Are cameras a source of revenue ? |
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Darren wrote: | Some time back this was changed so that revenue went to central government instead. | Presumably this was done at about the same time that they realised how much revenue they were raising |
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Guivre46 Frequent Visitor
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Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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I'm sure I read somewhere that the government were seriously considering raising the level of speeding fines to fund services for victims of crimes? _________________ Mike R [aka Wyvern46]
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Darren Frequent Visitor
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Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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Guivre46 wrote: | I'm sure I read somewhere that the government were seriously considering raising the level of speeding fines to fund services for victims of crimes? |
I've no issue with criminals funding victims but why should motorists (the easy target) be penalised to pay victims of countless other crimes?
Motoring offence fines should be used to fund road safety and perhaps compensation for the victims of motoring offences. Sadly most non-motoring offenders are much less profitable targets. _________________ Darren Griffin |
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Skippy Pocket GPS Verifier
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Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 8:36 am Post subject: |
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Darren wrote: | Motoring offence fines should be used to fund road safety and perhaps compensation for the victims of motoring offences. Sadly most non-motoring offenders are much less profitable targets. |
No chance of that, look where our road tax and petrol/diesel taxes go....
If a motoring case goes to court, they add a 15 pound "victim surcharge". Seems odd to me given that we are required to have third party liability insurance which is used to compensate the victims of our motoring crimes but hey ho. _________________ Gone fishing! |
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culzean Occasional Visitor
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Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 9:03 am Post subject: |
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Speed cameras in the right places are OK (schools etc.) but many are in 'revenue raising' sites on empty main roads in the middle of nowhere and these have rightly given 'safety cameras' a bad press.
What I really want are 'mobile phone cameras' that can detect mobile phone signals in approaching vehicles and photograph the car, if the driver is using a phone then they should get a big fine and a ban. These cameras should be discreet and mobile. From experience someone who is driving fast is probably paying more attention to the road ahead, whereas a mobile phone user is paying scant attention to anything except their beloved phone. |
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Guivre46 Frequent Visitor
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Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 9:17 am Post subject: |
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Guivre46 wrote: | I'm sure I read somewhere that the government were seriously considering raising the level of speeding fines to fund services for victims of crimes? |
I remembered because it was me! Short-term memory must be fading:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/7894598/Motorists-face-huge-hike-in-fines-to-fund-victims.html
...and it was the 'victim surcharge' not the actual fines themselves. _________________ Mike R [aka Wyvern46]
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