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RobBrady Frequent Visitor
Joined: Jul 21, 2004 Posts: 2718 Location: Chelmsford, UK
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 1:56 pm Post subject: Mobile Safety Cameras to Monitor Scottish Level Crossings |
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The Scotsman has reported that mobile safety cameras will be routinely used against drivers who ignore red lights at level crossings in Scotland.
In what is believed to be the first initiative of its kind in Britain, two mobile camera vehicles will be operated from today by British Transport Police at the country's 18 most abused crossings.
The introduction of the cameras follow a trial in Caithness and are in addition to fixed cameras already in place at eight level crossings.
The worst offenders are being threatened with disqualification or even jail. _________________ Robert Brady |
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Trevor Occasional Visitor
Joined: Oct 12, 2003 Posts: 21
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:08 pm Post subject: The next time may be the last. |
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I would have thought disqualification or jail should be the least of someones worry if they jump lights at a Level Crossing.
If they have ever seen the result of a car going under a Train they would think twice.
If you jump an ordinary set of Traffic Lights there is a chance that anything coming the other way can swerve and avoid a crash. Trains only go forward or backwards they do not avoid anything they just flatten it. |
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Duddy Lifetime Member
Joined: Dec 09, 2006 Posts: 219 Location: Manchester UK
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:27 pm Post subject: Re: The next time may be the last. |
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Trevor wrote: | I would have thought disqualification or jail should be the least of someones worry if they jump lights at a Level Crossing.
If they have ever seen the result of a car going under a Train they would think twice.
If you jump an ordinary set of Traffic Lights there is a chance that anything coming the other way can swerve and avoid a crash. Trains only go forward or backwards they do not avoid anything they just flatten it. |
If you jump red traffic lights the most thats likely to hit you is 42 Ton (which can slow quite quickly) a train can weigh 60+ tons (they don't stop very well at all) and they tend to go THROUGH cars but the end result is basically the same. _________________ HUAWEI P30 Pro (new edition) with Speedtrap Alert & alcatel1 for SatNav
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Wazza_G Lifetime Member
Joined: Jan 10, 2006 Posts: 585 Location: Guildford (Regrettibly)
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:02 am Post subject: |
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42 tonnes? 60 tonnes? And the rest!
A Class 390 Vigin Trains (Pendolino) is 466 tonnes.
A Class 158 or 159 Diesel unit is between 77 & 115 tonnes.
A Class 450 (SWT) is 170 tonnes
A Class 444 (SWT) is 227 tonnes.
I've seen what happens when a train hits a car & the occupants usually have a free ride in a rubber bag to the mortuary.
Perhaps we should take the Australian perspective...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuAqJIpkRgk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO_s4m54w1I
I'm a train driver & I don't have time for fools who mess with level crossings, I've had one driver prosecuted for zig-zagging barriers, he got a £1k fine & 9 points, if you want to try & gamble be my guest, but the odds are you'll end up dead. |
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Duddy Lifetime Member
Joined: Dec 09, 2006 Posts: 219 Location: Manchester UK
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with your sentiments Wazza_g, I've looked at it from the other side as a police accident investigator with assistance of BTP!!! You forgot to mention the sponges & hose pipe but you may have left the scene by then.
As far as I'm concerned drivers who do this stupid stunt should receive an automatic 12 months min ban.
It's one of the locations I agree 100% with the new cameras, until now most cameras covered the crossing to give a general view and couldn't pick up the vehicles number plate. _________________ HUAWEI P30 Pro (new edition) with Speedtrap Alert & alcatel1 for SatNav
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RoadHawk in-car video
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ton181 Occasional Visitor
Joined: May 19, 2006 Posts: 1
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 11:31 am Post subject: Rail Crossing Cameras |
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What a perfect use for these cash generator cameras. I oppose the use in general.... but cannot think of a better place to lacate them than this. If these idiots want to risk their own lives and those of others by ignoring a red light then they should be caught and prosecuted, and I agree with the other comment of an instant year's ban no questions asked. |
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dvd8n Occasional Visitor
Joined: Mar 08, 2009 Posts: 4
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Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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I have never gone through a level crossing on red and never would.
However I have sat and waited at a lot of them. And waited. And waited. And waited. And waited. And waited. And waited.................
And finally a train comes.
And that's why people jump them. It's to save 10-15 minutes, not to save 2 or 3.
Do they really not know more precisely when the train's coming? |
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BigPerk Frequent Visitor
Joined: Sep 06, 2006 Posts: 1618 Location: East Hertfordshire
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:17 am Post subject: |
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They've got all my votes as well. I was interested in Wazza_G's comment about his prosecution case. I too reckon that people should get much more than the usual fine + 3 points for this. I assume that this was a BTP prosecution under your own powers (trespass?) ?? Interested in that as I say - should be used much more often. And these drivers don't just kill themselves unfortunately (if you follow me).
And the time sometimes taken for a train to arrive is I suppose to clear the signals for a full speed run, and possibly to allow time in case some idiot HAS got stuck on the crossing (also our local crossing in Hertfordshire is controlled from London's Liverpool Street station). _________________ David
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M8TJT The Other Tired Old Man
Joined: Apr 04, 2006 Posts: 10118 Location: Bexhill, South Sussex, UK
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 10:18 am Post subject: |
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I really can't see why everyone is making such a big deal out of this. Car v Train. Car loses, badly. Car driver and passengers wiped out, train driver badly shocked, train passengers late for work.
Trafic lights: Lights go red, another car crosses within seconds. Level crossing: Lights go red, train comes along sometime in the near future, normally minutes.
So you are far more likely to cause an accident that will hurt someone else on a normal set of lights. |
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Duddy Lifetime Member
Joined: Dec 09, 2006 Posts: 219 Location: Manchester UK
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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M8TJT wrote: | I really can't see why everyone is making such a big deal out of this. Car v Train. Car loses, badly. Car driver and passengers wiped out, train driver badly shocked, train passengers late for work.
Trafic lights: Lights go red, another car crosses within seconds. Level crossing: Lights go red, train comes along sometime in the near future, normally minutes.
So you are far more likely to cause an accident that will hurt someone else on a normal set of lights. |
"Train passengers late for work" yes can be very late, hitting a car at speed can derail the train and cause serious injuries or death to passengers.
Also some of the local trains have the drivers cab right at the front, his only protection from flying debris is thin aluminium or glass. _________________ HUAWEI P30 Pro (new edition) with Speedtrap Alert & alcatel1 for SatNav
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topbanana4 Lifetime Member
Joined: Dec 11, 2005 Posts: 59
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Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 9:26 am Post subject: |
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i live near narborough railway station in leicestershire ,at this station there is a camera at the leval crossing |
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