Missed Verification

NO_MAD · Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 5:22 pm Post subject: Missed Verification

Hi All

Over 20 weeks ago i submitted a camera to be removed 4miles from M25/M20 . (Gatso 72477)
I got the red square box with the cross in it on the map the next day but it has still not been verified.
Has this camera been missed for verification?

Regard
NO_MAD

mikealder · Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 6:27 pm Post subject:

When one of the verification team are passing that area they will take a look, 20 weeks is a long time for other submissions not to have counted to removing this camera but users might be seeing the warning for the camera on the opposite side of the road - Rest assured one of us will take a look at this location when in the area - Mike

DennisN · Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 9:38 pm Post subject:

Interesting StreetView on Google maps - Viewed from one position, it shows only one camera - in central reservation. Viewed from another position shows it with the head removed and with temporary weather proofing cover on the arm. I note that Gatso 73020 looks to be the reversible element of it and would explain why we have two cameras in the database? We have NOT had a submission to remove the northbound camera site. Is that still there? As Mike says, this looks like a busy road, so it's a puzzle why nobody else has submitted a removal request.

As a footnote, I think I personally will not be looking at this one, as it's pretty much off my beaten track.
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Andy_P · Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 1:23 am Post subject:

I've got TWO possible scenarios for this.
I'll do them in two separate posts....

1. Maybe this is a combination of a misunderstanding of how the database is set up, and a slight error of positioning on the database.

The first thing you need to know is that REVERSIBLE cameras (usually sited on the central reservation) often used to fail to warn in one or other direction on a TomTom if there was only one position marked on the map, in the middle between the two carriageways.

So it was decided to place an icon on BOTH carriageways for these cameras.
Unfortunately, to the user, it now looks as though there are TWO actual cameras, and there is no obvious way to show that one is a sort of "dummy".
I always thought the "dummy" should be given the same ID number as the real camera but with some sort of suffix, like Gatso:12345 and Gatso:12345A, but this wasn't apparently possible/easy to achieve.

So maybe in this location there was only ever one camera, and it was thought to be reversible, BUT that the two icons for it should have been positioned much closer together than they are at the moment.

Does that sound likely? Any thoughts MaFt?
However, there are also no white lines showing on the road to the south west of the actual Gatso camera, so it looks like it isn't a reversible camera anyway.

Next, as Dennis says, there's the question of whether the one camera is still there or not.

NO_MAD - what do you think is the exact situation? Is there one camera still there or none?

Andy_P · Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 1:42 am Post subject:

Second scenario.....

Although we DON'T use Google Streetview for final verification of possible camera sites, it's still a useful tool.

If you look on Streetview at the position of the disputed camera location going southbound, you can see some sensor strips buried in the road and a control box beside them.

See HERE

That looks to me very much like an "Autovision" mobile speed trap system, like this:

For more details see the UK Speedtraps site.

So should the southbound camera position have been a MOBILE?

NO_MAD · Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:12 am Post subject:

Hi All

Only one camera in area (Gatso 73020) incentral reservation.
This is ONLY for nothbound.
No road markings southbound. If you look at google map this is correct.

Regards

NO_MAD

DennisN · Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:17 am Post subject:

Looks like a database error, then. Let's see what MaFt has for comments on both cameras - 73020 has something about reversible and about the mobile (21788) further south.

PS. Streetview also shows buried strips in the opposite carriageway, but I think that's a red herring for this particular Gatso.
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NO_MAD · Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 5:25 pm Post subject:

Hi All

The camera to be removed is over 30mts to the north of Honeyden road
(the side road on the right as you look north).

The sensor strips are over 20mts to the south of Honeyden road.

NO_MAD

NO_MAD · Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 4:22 pm Post subject:

Hi All

Have just gone past these cameras again today and white lines are on both sides of the road.Making camera (73020) now reversible.

Camera (72477) is still not there.

Still waiting for verification.

Regards

NO_MAD

rockin_plumber · Lifetime Member Joined: Nov 15, 2007 Posts: 111

If they are waiting verification Im sure they will be if someone drives past this location.

Im sure we will hear in about 4 weeks time if the situation remains unchanged Laughing

Andy_P · Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 7:26 pm Post subject:

DennisN · Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 11:10 pm Post subject:

M8TJT · Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 9:18 am Post subject:

NO_MAD · Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 3:31 pm Post subject:

Hi M8TJT

Ladders are now on both sides of carriagway (north and south).

Camera is in central reservation (see streetvie in google map)

Have never seen camera72477.

Have only been going past this site in the last year.

NO_MAD

NO_MAD · Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 2:51 pm Post subject:

Hi All

It is now been over 7 months ago I submitted a camera to be removed 4miles from M25/M20. (Gatso 72477) and still waiting for verification.
Has it been forgotten?

Regards

NO_MAD

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