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Darren Frequent Visitor
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Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 10:33 pm Post subject: EGNOS goes live |
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At a press conference today, European Commission Vice-President for Transport Policy, Mr Antonia Tajani, announced the official start of EGNOS operations.
EGNOS (the European Geostationary Navigation Overlay Service) has been operating in a test phase since 2006 and the news that it is at last available to all users with EGNOS compatible GPS receivers is long overdue.
American users have had their equivalent service WAAS (Wide Area Augmentation Service) for some time and the Japanese are developing their version called MFAS (Multi-Functional Satellite Augmentation System).
EGNOS uses an augmentation system consisting of transponders aboard three geostationary satellites in position over Europe and the Eastern Atlantic. These satellites are linked to a network of 40 ground stations and four control centres.
EGNOS improves GPS accuracy from approx 20m to close to 2m and the open service is provided free of charge.
Developed as a pan-European project between ESA, the European Commission and Eurocontrol. The European Commission is responsible for management of the service. _________________ Darren Griffin |
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NickG Frequent Visitor
Joined: Nov 09, 2003 Posts: 357 Location: UK
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Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:49 am Post subject: |
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So, have receivers already been taking advantage of Egnos, or were they waiting for the "test bit" to be turned off and the signal to go live? Do things like SirfStarIII, MBlox, and iPhone chipset support this channel? |
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Darren Frequent Visitor
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Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 11:40 am Post subject: |
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Many chipsets have been able to take advantage but most were software disabled. Garmins have been able to make use of WAAS & EGNOS for some time but the service was intermittent and unreliable (EGNOS that is).
I don't have a list of what supports it but currently I'd expect only devices such as handhelds and some BT GPS receivers. Hopefully now it's live we can expect all devices to take advantage of the additional accuracy now available. _________________ Darren Griffin |
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Wazza_G Lifetime Member
Joined: Jan 10, 2006 Posts: 585 Location: Guildford (Regrettibly)
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Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 11:57 am Post subject: |
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Do you reckon that TomTom will release a firmware to take advantage of the new system?
I hope so. |
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PaulB2005 Pocket GPS Moderator
Joined: Jan 04, 2006 Posts: 9323 Location: Durham, UK
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Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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Looks like the Columbus V-900 used a by few people here is EGNOS capable. |
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Duddy Lifetime Member
Joined: Dec 09, 2006 Posts: 219 Location: Manchester UK
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Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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Wazza_G wrote: | Do you reckon that TomTom will release a firmware to take advantage of the new system?
I hope so. |
Wazza_G
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pcaouolte Frequent Visitor
Joined: Dec 27, 2006 Posts: 998 Location: South Lincs, UK.
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Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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Would it, in practice, make any difference to a tomtom? The tomtom software 'snaps' your location to the nearest road and in my experience almost always picks the correct one.
The EGNOS system uses geostationary satelites located over the equator, these appear fairly low in the sky in the UK and would be more easily blocked by high buildings than the GPS satelites which orbit from pole to pole. _________________ Paul |
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Darren Frequent Visitor
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Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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Whilst the EGNOS SV's are on the equator they have coverage that should be more than good enough to reach even the farthest Norther parts of the UK.
But EGNOS is intended for aviation, not hikers, mariners or car drivers and so any benefits of the increased accuracy are of little relevance to vehicle satnav. _________________ Darren Griffin |
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oxford_guy Occasional Visitor
Joined: Sep 01, 2009 Posts: 3
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Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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In theory my Garmin eTrex Vista Hcx supports Egnos (there is a setting to turn it on), does this announcement mean I will now be able to benefit from this without a firmware update (am on firmware 3.1)? Thanks |
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Darren Frequent Visitor
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Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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Yes. _________________ Darren Griffin |
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PaulB2005 Pocket GPS Moderator
Joined: Jan 04, 2006 Posts: 9323 Location: Durham, UK
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Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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As does / did my Streetpilot i3 but not my TT740 (apparently). Not sure about the 765. |
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mhb Regular Visitor
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 5:49 am Post subject: |
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As far as MemoryMap is concerned, I have noticed that since EGNOS became fully functional, when leaving my device in a static position for sometime, the current position indicator red circle no longer moves around on the map to the same extent that it used to. Now I have only had chance to test this twice so far so obviously this phenomenon could be caused by many other factors. However could this be the result of better accuracy using EGNOS? The GPS chip used is the Sirf 3. |
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Wazza_G Lifetime Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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Duddy wrote: | Wazza_G wrote: | Do you reckon that TomTom will release a firmware to take advantage of the new system?
I hope so. |
Wazza_G
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lbendlin Pocket GPS Staff
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Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 12:12 am Post subject: |
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Darren wrote: | Whilst the EGNOS SV's are on the equator they have coverage that should be more than good enough to reach even the farthest Norther parts of the UK. |
Not so fast. I remember we had a discussion a few years back when EGNOS was just starting in test mode that some Scottish police guys had problems locking onto the DGPS signal. _________________ Lutz
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culzean Occasional Visitor
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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My garmin Streetpilot C510 has WAAS/EGNOS capability (that is one of the reason I bought it) - and has had for the last 3 years, pity it has taken so long to be able to use it - - - - - - - - . |
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