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RobBrady Frequent Visitor
Joined: Jul 21, 2004 Posts: 2718 Location: Chelmsford, UK
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 1:05 pm Post subject: No Number Plate Necessary For Speed Camera Prosecution |
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A story by Motorcyclenews.com has confirmed that the police do not always need a snapshot of your number plate to be able to prosecute you if you speed past a front-facing camera.
Motorbikes only have rear plates and front-facing cameras simply cannot see them. The requirement for front number plates was dropped in 1975 due to the danger they posed to both bikers and pedestrians in the event of an accident.
However, that didn't prove to be a barrier on this occasion.
Biker Gary Lacey, 48, has been banned for 2 years after speeding at 81mph through a 30mph area. Speed cameras also witnessed him exceeding the limit on 6 other occasions.
It hadn't occurred to Lacey that each camera shot identified his distinctive bright green Kawasaki, with a missing mirror, and his snazzy matching helmet. His local Southampton police force simply stopped a bike fitting that description... and bingo!
With a two year ban and a £1300 fine, Lacey has now discovered a new-found respect for the law. He said his “biking days were over”. _________________ Robert Brady |
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sollythegolly Lifetime Member
Joined: Oct 23, 2006 Posts: 28 Location: Hampshire
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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Bit extreme, though. I mean - distinctive bike - six times previous. Bikers definitely have the advantage over car drivers in the number plate stakes when approaching front facing cameras. _________________ Today is the tomorrow that you worried about yesterday. |
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navver Regular Visitor
Joined: Dec 12, 2005 Posts: 111 Location: Chipping Sodbury
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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81mph in a 30 limit. I'm glad he's off the road for a while. They're a menace to themselves and every one else. _________________ Tomtom Go520, App 8.010, Map UK&ROI 810.1870 |
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navver Regular Visitor
Joined: Dec 12, 2005 Posts: 111 Location: Chipping Sodbury
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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81mph in a 30 limit. I'm glad he's off the road for a while. They're a menace to themselves and every one else. _________________ Tomtom Go520, App 8.010, Map UK&ROI 810.1870 |
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g6lpb Occasional Visitor
Joined: Jan 02, 2007 Posts: 1
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 8:33 pm Post subject: Bikes and speed cameras |
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As a biker myself I am aware that it is easier to pass forward facing speed cameras with a reduced chance of detection. But over 80 in a 30 area is just not on and a lifetime ban would not be out of order. Speed does not kill it's the stopping that matters and hurts if you cannot stop in time. And could anyone stop at that speed if a child or woman with a pram steps out? There can only be one answer NO. So good on the person involved for having the sense that you cannot go on forever breaking the law on a day by day basis and get away with it. It's not only your life that you take away when it all goes wrong. |
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shornoff Occasional Visitor
Joined: Mar 02, 2006 Posts: 2
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 10:36 pm Post subject: Speed doesn't kill? |
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"Speed doesn't kill"? You may be wrong here. Ever been shot with a bullet traveling at 20 mph from an old BB gun. I have - didn't hurt. Try one traveling at 1000 mph!
Speed kills.
And if you still don't believe look at the basic Physics. Your kinetic energy is proportional to your speed squared which is why "hit me a 30 mph and I may live.... hit me at 40 and I'm dead" is so true. |
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M8TJT The Other Tired Old Man
Joined: Apr 04, 2006 Posts: 10118 Location: Bexhill, South Sussex, UK
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Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 9:32 am Post subject: Re: Speed doesn't kill? |
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shornoff wrote: | "Speed doesn't kill"? Ever been shot with a bullet traveling at 20 mph from an old BB gun. I have - didn't hurt. Try one traveling at 1000 mph!
.....look at the basic Physics. Your kinetic energy is proportional to your speed squared which is why "hit me a 30 mph and I may live.... hit me at 40 and I'm dead" is so true. |
The non scientific deniers of 'speed kills' who don't know what kinetic enery is (and some of those that do) would argue vehemently that it's nothing to do with the speed of the bullet, it's the fact that you are hit by it Of course speed kills |
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Wazza_G Lifetime Member
Joined: Jan 10, 2006 Posts: 585 Location: Guildford (Regrettibly)
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Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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Please get your facts correct. Speed doesn't kill...
If it did you wouldn't be able to travel in a car, train, plane much.
It's the force of the IMPACT that kills, not the speed or inertia, unless of course you want to talk about G-force. |
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BigPerk Frequent Visitor
Joined: Sep 06, 2006 Posts: 1618 Location: East Hertfordshire
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Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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I would say that in layman's terms (wot I get) speed contributes to (causes) death or injury because:
(a) if someone is hit, or crashes, at high speed they are more likely to get killed than at low speed;
(b) statistically, the higher average speeds are in an area the more likely deaths and injuries are because of less effective reaction times, less control over vehicles, less time to see (pedestrians and drivers), etc
Can't see it's that complicated _________________ David
(Navigon 70 Live, Nuvi 360) |
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Calomax Lifetime Member
Joined: Sep 30, 2005 Posts: 988 Location: St Martin's, Guernsey
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Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | The requirement for front number plates was dropped in 1975 due to the danger they posed to both bikers and pedestrians in the event of an accident. | I've never understood this. The danger was because they were fitted fore and aft on the front mudguard. Here in Guernsey, they had to be forward facing so were fitted to the front forks where they posed no danger at all. But we also dropped the requirement for front numbers at the same time. _________________ TT Go Essential |
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MaFt Pocket GPS Staff
Joined: Aug 31, 2005 Posts: 15317 Location: Bradford, West Yorkshire
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Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 8:48 pm Post subject: Re: Bikes and speed cameras |
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g6lpb wrote: | And could anyone stop at that speed if a child or woman with a pram steps out? |
are men invincible then
agreed though, it's just a stupid speed to be doing and a shame really that it took 6 offences to actually be able to track them down... surely cameras can be good enough quality these days to be able to pick up VIN numbers etc? saying that though i have no idea about bikes so don;t know where about the VIN is printed, if at all!
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johalareewi Lifetime Member
Joined: Jul 15, 2009 Posts: 50 Location: Hampshire UK
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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 11:33 am Post subject: |
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We had a couple of accidents locally where motorcyclists died. The local motorbikers complained to the council to do something so the council improved the road by introducing a 40mph speed limit and lots of road markings to slow everybody down.
So now the cars, lorries, buses, etc. do 40mph, but many motorcyclists fly past (way over the speed limit)using the 'special motorbike lane' created by the hatchings in the middle of the road. |
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NickG Frequent Visitor
Joined: Nov 09, 2003 Posts: 357 Location: UK
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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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Wazza_G wrote: | Please get your facts correct. Speed doesn't kill...
If it did you wouldn't be able to travel in a car, train, plane much. |
Yes, but as excess speed correlates directly to an increased chance of having an accident, it amounts to exactly the same thing. Try doing a lowish aircraft speed (200mph) in a 30 limit and then come back here and tell us that you're not dead after trying to make it round the first corner. |
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gem Regular Visitor
Joined: Feb 06, 2004 Posts: 90 Location: Scotland
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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 9:03 pm Post subject: Nutter |
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I have to say he sure does deserve to be banned. This case proves our point that you need proper enforcement. Not some modern camera snapping drivers at 82mph on the dual carrageway.
To be whizzing at 60mph+ in town and city local roads deserves banning. |
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gem Regular Visitor
Joined: Feb 06, 2004 Posts: 90 Location: Scotland
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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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Wazza_G wrote: | Please get your facts correct. Speed doesn't kill........unless of course you want to talk about G-force. |
Stop being argumentative.
Else we could type here all day that the bullet didn't kill the person. It was the hole in their body. |
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