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mostdom Pocket GPS Moderator
Joined: Jul 10, 2006 Posts: 1964 Location: Surrey, UK.
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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:53 am Post subject: |
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What is stupid is that in one article I read they refer to the younger drivers who exceed the speed limit regularly being a key target group for the speed reduction, yet these are the people who are more likely to ignore any changes to the system. What is bothering me is that the powers that be know this and still wish to go ahead. It seems that the majority will again suffer for the selfish few. _________________ Dom
HERE LIES PND May it rest in peace.
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mostdom Pocket GPS Moderator
Joined: Jul 10, 2006 Posts: 1964 Location: Surrey, UK.
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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:11 am Post subject: |
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HA HA. I think I found the culprits. I spotted this petition that was rejected on the e petition site. Lets write angry letters to all of them.
Probably Black VW owners the lot of them! eh Dennis? _________________ Dom
HERE LIES PND May it rest in peace.
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nuttynurse Regular Visitor
Joined: Nov 28, 2005 Posts: 226 Location: Cheltenham
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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 10:59 am Post subject: |
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Why are the government still allowing family cars to be built that can travel more than double the maximum speed limit of this country whilst constantly imposing greater restriction on the speed we can travel?
Where are the alternatives to the car for successful commuting? Don't tell me public transport, thats a joke! Certainly in the more rural areas.
Why are they continuing to build shopping malls encouraging people to travel more rather than less? Destroying local communities, post offices, local shops and pubs.
I guess some of you will have noticed the condition of our roads. The reason they are slowing us down is more to do with the growing number of pot holes. If they spent less on the ridiculous number of road signs, incomprehensible road junctions, layouts and the likes we would probably be a lot safer simply because they would be able to maintain the roads better. Little of the money from road tax and fines ends back where it is needed. Look instead at the luxury of the working environments of the MP and Euro MP's and what about the limo's the minsters get driven around in.
The revenue from all these camera's seems to be spent on yet more cameras by increasingly creating more cause for them. Lower the speed limit to 50 mph may help to increase the number of people caught speeding. Do we need this cash spent on yet more cameras during this economic down turn, won't the very fact that so many people losing their jobs mean less people being able to afford to drive their car anyway? If the government has money to invest in cameras then it might be better spent in people and jobs and not awarding points.
When is the government going to spend less time persecuting the motorist and instead look at ways of reducing the necessity for people to travel so much? The truth is I guess, the government needs the large scale production of fast cars in the hope that you and I break slow speed limits enough to keep the revenue coming in. |
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DennisN Tired Old Man
Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 14902 Location: Keynsham
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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 11:35 am Post subject: |
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nuttynurse wrote: | incomprehensible road junctions, layouts and the likes |
Tell me about it. This is at 51.414237, -2.497938, inside 100 yards!!!
_________________ Dennis
If it tastes good - it's fattening.
Two of them are obesiting!! |
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Darren Frequent Visitor
Joined: 11/07/2002 14:36:40 Posts: 23848 Location: Hampshire, UK
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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 11:44 am Post subject: |
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Driver distraction:
_________________ Darren Griffin |
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M8TJT The Other Tired Old Man
Joined: Apr 04, 2006 Posts: 10118 Location: Bexhill, South Sussex, UK
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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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There's one missing from the top photo, a speed camera warning sign
But I suspect that the photo is taken from a long way off with a lonnnng telephoto to make it look a lot worse than it actually is |
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Darren Frequent Visitor
Joined: 11/07/2002 14:36:40 Posts: 23848 Location: Hampshire, UK
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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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M8TJT wrote: | But I suspect that the photo is taken from a long way off with a lonnnng telephoto to make it look a lot worse than it actually is |
That's the A3 near Tolworth and it is every bit as bad as it looks. Yes a TelePhoto lens has been used but it is bad. _________________ Darren Griffin |
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mostdom Pocket GPS Moderator
Joined: Jul 10, 2006 Posts: 1964 Location: Surrey, UK.
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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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DennisN wrote: | Tell me about it. This is at 51.414237, -2.497938, inside 100 yards!!! |
That photo need a box junction and camera to finnish it off. The recent box junction campaign in london has highlighted a few poor road layouts like this where you may follow the traffic across a junction after the lights turn green only to have a pedestrian cross a pelican crossing that immediately precedes the junction and wham, stationary traffic and a few fines to add to the coffers. _________________ Dom
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gareth71 Regular Visitor
Joined: Oct 07, 2004 Posts: 146
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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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mostdom wrote: | HA HA. I think I found the culprits. I spotted this petition that was rejected on the e petition site. Lets write angry letters to all of them. |
No need for letters - deep down, I suspect they all know that they're tossers. ;)
If any of the government mandarins who proposed this ill-thought-out joke of a bill have half a brain between them (and let's be honest, that's a big ask), they need look no further than the fact that the "in favour of a 55mph NSL" petition attracted a whole 15 signatories (one of whom is apparently called Mr. Don't-Be-A-Dick!), whereas the one against a lowering of the limit to 50mph has attracted not far short of 5,000 signatories in just a couple of days (and I'm sure it'll be many, many times that number by the time it closes). If that's not an indicator of the strength of public feeling on this issue, then I don't know what is. |
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M8TJT The Other Tired Old Man
Joined: Apr 04, 2006 Posts: 10118 Location: Bexhill, South Sussex, UK
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Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 9:35 am Post subject: |
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gareth71 wrote: | No need for letters - deep down, I suspect they all know that they're tossers. ;). |
No they don't, and when they're caught out, they have no shame and don't give a toss about the rest of us, providing they are all right {Jack}. |
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66Mustang Lifetime Member
Joined: Jan 31, 2004 Posts: 43 Location: Northampton, England
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Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:08 am Post subject: |
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Arrrgh!
When I first heard about this, no mention was made of it being backed up by SPECS cameras. I drive a lot in Nottingham, and live in Northampton so SPECS cameras form a large part of my driving life - they are dangerous on country and urban roads due to too much attention being paid to the speedo and not the road ahead.
I think it's about time the government stopped nannying us and let us make our own decisions - I know why they're doing it to criminalise and control more and more of the population and to raise revenue.
EDIT - Signed
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jonl60 Occasional Visitor
Joined: Jul 24, 2006 Posts: 3
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Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:42 am Post subject: |
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Put the lower speed limits where the deaths occur. Simple. |
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Jellyroll Lifetime Member
Joined: May 17, 2006 Posts: 57
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Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:00 am Post subject: |
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Put the lower limits where deaths have occurred and can be shown to have occurred as a result of people driving at (or near) 60mph. If they were caused by traffic driving at 70mph or 80mph or above, a new speed limit won't help, but fixed or mobile cameras may. If they were caused by traffic driving at (or near) 50mph, a new limit won't help, nor will any kind of camera. |
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707 Occasional Visitor
Joined: Feb 01, 2006 Posts: 35 Location: North Kent
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Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:51 am Post subject: |
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Oh dear, it pains me very much to say this, but living at the end of a very busy long stretch of twisting rural road that was 60mph 3 years ago I was very annoyed at the prospect of 6 SPECS cameras set at 40mph when they were put up. Now 3 years later I have to admit, I have not been delayed once by accidents, air ambulance landings, or just recovery of arctic lorry’s from ditches, all of these were once a weekly occurrence. Also in this period two of my sons have learnt to drive and got their first cars and both I and my wife sleep a little easier when they are out late at night with their friends.
I agree I hate the things and what they stand for, I also think it's just another hidden revenue generator for local government, but there is another side.
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66Mustang Lifetime Member
Joined: Jan 31, 2004 Posts: 43 Location: Northampton, England
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Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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Can you imagine trying to drive anywhere if the whole country is covered with them? It'd send you mad.
I agree that they are very effective at controlling people's behaviour, but is this what we really want, to be controlled? |
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