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GPS_fan Pocket GPS Moderator
Joined: Jan 04, 2007 Posts: 2789 Location: Hampshire, UK
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:01 am Post subject: |
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The camera I refer to is now looking more than a little scorched with a burnt tyre at it's base
...but it might well still be working, so I'm not risking points on my licence to find out - he who laughs last and all that _________________ Andy
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Skippy Pocket GPS Verifier
Joined: 24/06/2003 00:22:12 Posts: 2946 Location: Escaped to the Antipodies! 36.83°S 174.75°E
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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GPS_fan wrote: | The camera I refer to is now looking more than a little scorched with a burnt tyre at it's base |
Keep up the good work! _________________ Gone fishing! |
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GPS_fan Pocket GPS Moderator
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:53 am Post subject: |
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The police are said to be "appealing for witnesses". _________________ Andy
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Daggers Lifetime Member
Joined: Jun 20, 2005 Posts: 1096 Location: Solihull, UK
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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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I've now seen the photographic evidence. It was clearly taken from the rear, buy the Truvelo camera. There is no vehicle coming the other way, and my front wheels are clearly on the 3 white lines on the road.
I don't think I've got any choice but to pay the £60 and claim my 3 points. I'll be much more wary of Truvelos in future, whichever way they are facing! |
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Skippy Pocket GPS Verifier
Joined: 24/06/2003 00:22:12 Posts: 2946 Location: Escaped to the Antipodies! 36.83°S 174.75°E
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:38 am Post subject: |
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Daggers wrote: | I've now seen the photographic evidence. It was clearly taken from the rear, buy the Truvelo camera. There is no vehicle coming the other way, and my front wheels are clearly on the 3 white lines on the road. |
If it was taken from the rear then I presume that you can't identify the driver, are you certain it was you driving? _________________ Gone fishing! |
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Daggers Lifetime Member
Joined: Jun 20, 2005 Posts: 1096 Location: Solihull, UK
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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Skippy wrote: | If it was taken from the rear then I presume that you can't identify the driver, are you certain it was you driving? |
Unless somebody copied my numberplates, stuck them on an identical car, and drove down the same road as me on the same morning, then I'm pretty sure it was me!
I never had any arguments about passing that particular camera that morning; my original surprise was because I didn't realise Truvelo cameras could take photos from the rear. I'll know for next time! |
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FazerUK Lifetime Member
Joined: Nov 18, 2004 Posts: 242 Location: Wrexhaml, UK
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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But what Skippy saying if you can't remember on that day if it was you driving or a friend they can not put points on your license.
As long as you get a friend or someone that has insurance to drive any car or that car, they can't do anything about it. as you telling them it was you or this other person Driving. _________________ TomTom Go 700,
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Darren Frequent Visitor
Joined: 11/07/2002 14:36:40 Posts: 23848 Location: Hampshire, UK
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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FazerUK wrote: | But what Skippy saying if you can't remember on that day if it was you driving or a friend they can not put points on your license.
As long as you get a friend or someone that has insurance to drive any car or that car, they can't do anything about it. as you telling them it was you or this other person Driving. |
Forget that option, case law has disallowed this as an option, if you fail to ID the driver then the registered owner will get prosecuted instead. _________________ Darren Griffin |
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FazerUK Lifetime Member
Joined: Nov 18, 2004 Posts: 242 Location: Wrexhaml, UK
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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But you named the drive you or your mate, both give a statement that they thats turns in driving and on that day they can't remember who was driving.
Its worked every time for people I know and some get asked to pay the fine but the last 5 or 6 have got away with the fine and the points _________________ TomTom Go 700,
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Darren Frequent Visitor
Joined: 11/07/2002 14:36:40 Posts: 23848 Location: Hampshire, UK
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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FazerUK wrote: | But you named the drive you or your mate, both give a statement that they thats turns in driving and on that day they can't remember who was driving.
Its worked every time for people I know and some get asked to pay the fine but the last 5 or 6 have got away with the fine and the points |
Believe what you will but whilst that may have worked in the past, I can assure you it doesn't any more! _________________ Darren Griffin |
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FazerUK Lifetime Member
Joined: Nov 18, 2004 Posts: 242 Location: Wrexhaml, UK
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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When you talking about, this was just last week the last one. the owner can't get done as he is giving the driver but he saying he not 100% sure and his mate saying it was the owner but hes not 100% sure, so they just drop it _________________ TomTom Go 700,
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Skippy Pocket GPS Verifier
Joined: 24/06/2003 00:22:12 Posts: 2946 Location: Escaped to the Antipodies! 36.83°S 174.75°E
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 12:52 am Post subject: |
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I think they call it the "Hamilton Defense" so named after Neil and Christine Hamilton who had a case against them dropped because despite their best efforts, they couldn't figure out which one of them was driving at the time.
Of course, we hear all the time "ahh, that loophole has been closed" but the law hasn't changed. Some cases may be dismissed, others may result in a conviction. If the case ever makes it to court, then it's up to the magistrate to decide if the keeper has made "reasonable efforts" to identify which one of who was driving.
I'm not suggesting that anyone attempt to pervert the course of justice (this will get you in very serious trouble), just that you shouldn't feel bullied into admitting an offense that you may not have committed! _________________ Gone fishing! |
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GPS_fan Pocket GPS Moderator
Joined: Jan 04, 2007 Posts: 2789 Location: Hampshire, UK
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 1:43 am Post subject: |
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I think that this is sometimes a legitimate claim - I'm having a week's holiday in the UK this summer and my wife, a friend and I will share the driving....how can people be expected to remember exactly who was driving at a given time after they return home if the picture only shows the rear end of your car?
The problem is that when people have been the only person to ever drive a car they've owned, they have tried this excuse and reduced the chances of legitimate driver sharing claims to be viewed seriously. _________________ Andy
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FazerUK Lifetime Member
Joined: Nov 18, 2004 Posts: 242 Location: Wrexhaml, UK
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 2:23 am Post subject: |
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There was a case with two brothers and they blamed each other and that case got dropped, and that was murder, so why would they not drop a speeding ticket, on the same grounds _________________ TomTom Go 700,
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GPS_fan Pocket GPS Moderator
Joined: Jan 04, 2007 Posts: 2789 Location: Hampshire, UK
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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Part of the problem is that each police force interprets the guidelines differently there is no consistent nationwide application of the law.
For example, some police forces may allow 10% +2mph whilst others may be more or less tolerant.
A great example I could give is that the brother of a friend of mine was pulled over for 'speeding' despite other motorists driving faster in the same area at the same time and when he pointed this out, the officer said "we're having a game of snooker and we were playing the blue ball - you're driving a blue car so we pulled you over" _________________ Andy
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