Continental Speed Camersa Database

classy56 · Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 8:26 am Post subject:

Wasn't there a member on here who had a friend who was a french policeman, and he supplied a document which in effect said they were legal in France?

I must admit to having no problems in wether they are legal or not, I always remove the database when travelling in France, as I only normally drive on autoroutes, my vehicle would be hard pushed to break wind let alone the 130kph speed limit Embarassed

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mikealder · Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 8:43 am Post subject:

This Post contains a written letter and translation to the French Ministry of Transport, their answer is also posted - have a read and make your own mind up - Mike

MaFt · Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 3:14 pm Post subject:

mostdom · Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 9:31 pm Post subject:

NDS · Occasional Visitor Joined: Feb 01, 2007 Posts: 6

I quote from the Daily Telegraph. I would certainly like to know what is the legal status of a speed camera database incorporated into a Sat Nav for use on the Continent. The Telegraph article states.........

There are, of course, electronic devices on sale that will give you plenty of warning of a speed trap ahead - but don't take them to France because the mere presence of one in your car is illegal, and being caught using one will result in a fine of £1,000, plus confiscation and destruction of the detector.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/main.jhtml?xml=/travel/2004/07/19/etfront1807.xml&page=3

If you are interested,please see the full article from the Daily Telegraph - Web page as above.
NDS

mostdom · Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 9:54 pm Post subject:

nickburt · Occasional Visitor Joined: Nov 17, 2005 Posts: 7

NDS · Occasional Visitor Joined: Feb 01, 2007 Posts: 6

I agree with your logic, but loaded speed camera POIs on a sat nav are there for a specific purpose, to detect or warn drivers of speed cameras etc. However, I can see that devices using transmissions are illegal but all I am trying to do is to resolve the question.

" Are POI's which are loaded on a sat nav specifically to detect speed cameras, illegal in France and perhaps other Continental countries? "
NDS

nickburt · Occasional Visitor Joined: Nov 17, 2005 Posts: 7

Hmm... but ....

If they are POIs loaded on a GPS, they can't "detect" anything, only indicate a potential or reported location.

It maybe a play on words, but, "detection" suggests a device that works out where it's "target" is by use of a reflected signal (radar) or detection of the signal (ultrasonic, infrared or other frequency) produced by the speed camera.

I think a lawyer would have a field day defending a GPS/PDA/POI user. But probably wouldn't want to take on a case for a detector (eg Snooper) user. Might be loop hole created by words, but one I'd be happy to use.

There are many things that are available to buy, but illegal to use. So it comes down to how responsible the operator is. All that's needed is a disclaimer making it clear that it "may" be illegal to use it in certain situations or countries.

MaFt · Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 10:20 pm Post subject:

classy56 · Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 10:23 pm Post subject:

mostdom · Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 11:58 pm Post subject:

Consider read my last post Here.

Andy_P · Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 12:43 am Post subject:

Confirm what findings?
Those two links (both from sites advertising radar detectors!) talk about active detectors being legal in the UK. True at the moment, but likely to change (there have been discussions in parliament).

Neither of them mention the specific countries where both active detectors AND GPS-based databases are now definitely illegal (eg Eire and Switzerland).
France is still a grey area, where the letter of the law seems to allow databases but not detectors, but the law is being interpreted differently by the gendarmes.

mostdom · Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 11:16 am Post subject:

Andy, you have just reconfirmed my point that the information that we are all refering to is crude at best, the more websites I find singing the same song, add to the possability that this is all hear say.

We all know that detectors are illegal and we believe in the most part gps devices are not. What about the ones in between e.g. road angel. which look and act like detectors but boast that they are gps related therefore legal. I think these devices are causing the problems and why plod has been, I assume, confiscating the wrong devices. The lack of hard information does not help. I think gps navigation based devices with a database of camera locations may well be legal across the entire europe but we just can't prove it!

Debate rages ever onwards!

I'm still waiting for a responce from the swiss tourist office to add some hard facts to this debate, I might resend my e-mail soon. Sad

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mostdom · Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 9:34 am Post subject:

Just found this on another thread. Here

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