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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 9:02 pm Post subject: Re: Speed Camera Locations
stuart wrote:
Is this site updated frequently. If so why send the details to PGPSW. Just do it yourself. How long will it be before a well known retailer of Sat Nav devices provides free downloads.
Well, I've just checked around my area of West London and the site that Stuart points to is woefully inadequate and has no ability to download a database. _________________ - - - - - - - - -
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While I don't object to a charging model I think charging £2.00 PER DOWNLOAD is a massive, massive, massive mistake on the part of PocketGPS world.
I would strongly recommend a year long subscription model, a price of say £20 for a year would be fair.
The current charging model is about the worst possible way you could have done it :(
I strongly agree. I don't like paying any money over the internet, and having to do it every month is really disturbing. I too would prefer an annual payment which could then be made by post.
I don't really have too much of a problem paying for the database, but is it just me that I find it rather cynical that a POI capture facility is provided only a few days prior to announcing there would be a charge? Especially that the charge model MUST have been under discussion for weeks, if not months.
I would be happy paying up to £40.00 per annum, but dont expect me to supply you with free data - and thus the database disappears....... _________________ Regards
Joined: Jul 21, 2004 Posts: 2718 Location: Chelmsford, UK
Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 9:14 pm Post subject:
Just a reminder to those that may not have read all of the posts (including the lead story in its entirety) that we do intend to physically check and add to the database ourselves so the quality will improve over time not diminish.
I agree with tomthompson's post. Really two quid is a small price to pay especially if the database becomes more accurate.
Why is everyone being so tight fisted here? And what's wrong with the people running this excellent site making a few bob? Most people who have a good idea deserve to make some moey off the back of it, surely?
Like many users of this site, I imagine, I have been happily freeloading for nearly a year. Now it's time to put something back, I, for one, don't mind.
Joined: 25/05/2003 09:12:02 Posts: 247 Location: Bradford UK
Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 9:30 pm Post subject:
Quote:
we do intend to physically check and add to the database ourselves so the quality will improve over time not diminish.
Whilst I don't mind paying a yearly subscription for the database as long as the quality is maintained, I do think that people will stop sending updates once they have to pay to subscribe. Also, as the quote above, how can the PGPS team (around 15 people) hope to improve on what 24,642 members currently maintain. Now I know that only a small percentage of those members probably regularly update the database, but the difference in numbers contributing is massive. _________________ Mio P550 Mio 3 TTN 6 2GB SD Card, Ipaq 5450: Integral 1Gb SD card, TTN 6, POICapture, PPC 2003
Joined: Aug 18, 2004 Posts: 100 Location: West London
Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 9:31 pm Post subject:
Must just say I totally disagree with charging for something that was orginally free, and like somebody else said it gives the feel of somebody saying "We can make money out of this" though I doubt for one minute that the intention was the thought of 'easy' money.
I've also noticed that the Bandwidth excuse has cropped up from various other forums that I frequent and the "we need to raise funds because of this" etc...
My personal opinion is 2 quid per download is a no go, if a yearly one then maybe the 20 quid one off fee but again as other have said I would only download maybe twice a year if that happened for the amount of travelling I do.
I also own an old original Geodessy unit and that is 30 quid a year as comparison, the RoadPilot I believe is 50... so seems cheap but it's the sudden charge I strongly disagree with, sorry guys... _________________ Regards Steve :-)
Just a reminder to those that may not have read all of the posts (including the lead story in its entirety) that we do intend to physically check and add to the database ourselves so the quality will improve over time not diminish.
As someone who had already read the initial post I want to make two points
1. So, like TomTom - Students will be asked to check these? We, the community are already doing this, using the POI recorder, that has just been installed on most TomTom 5 machines, why have it checked again. You have just asked the community to send in all cameras to improve efficency - how can you improve on this?
2. If this is the case, then Lutz has probably wasted his time, as a lot of people will save the memory space on the Go's and Pocket PC's and remove the software. I hate to say this, a lot of "good will" will probably be gone after this starts up.
Oh and Enjoy Christams! _________________ iPhone5, TomTom, Google maps, Navfree, Viewranger and Apple Maps (ekk)
I think alarm bells started ringing for me when I read the articles claiming copyright by Pocket GPS World. What are they copyrighting? The positions of the speed camera's or the fact they have been formatted into a list?
All I can suggest to the contributors is to take YOUR data and start a truly free database. There are ways if required of distributing it without bandwidth costs.
This is a real shame. The database is certainly what brings (and more importantly, keeps bringing) a huge number of people to the site and once you guys start charging for it, expect to see a massive decrease - probably one that will cost you far more in lost ad reveneue than the gain in subs.
Also, many of us have contributed the odd camera location over the years simply because we knew trhe database was free - can't see this happening for much longer.
Joined: Jul 21, 2004 Posts: 2718 Location: Chelmsford, UK
Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 9:39 pm Post subject:
Our research at the Basingstoke event indicated that the vast majority were happy with the possibility of a small charge.
We realised that the feedback on the forums themselves might not accurately reflect that (boy, were we right!) as discontented readers will always have more inclination to post than those who are willing to pay or those on the fence.
I've been following this for a few hours now. Initially I was not opposed to paying for the service of the database (and in principle I would still be prepared to pay).
However, if there are cheaper ways to distribute the list as suggested by some posters to this forum, I would ask whether these have been considered by those who run this excellent site? If there are cheaper options which would negate the bandwidth cost argument, would they be prepared to take that option rather than charging? _________________ - - - - - - - - -
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I thought pocketgpsworld.com was meant to be a free site run as a hobby and not for a profit.
The reason why pocket world is great is that it is completely independent.
How can you goto Tomtom HQ each year and discuss plans for future releases of tomtom (including there own speed camera database) when you are a direct competitor now?
If you want to setup a new database then go ahead and pay someone to do this for you, but I do not believe that it is fair for you to take all the hard work and effort from all the contributors to turn this around into a profit for yourselves.
Please can you reconsider and keep pocketgpsworld and the camera database free and not a business.
Joined: Oct 25, 2004 Posts: 43 Location: Wexford, Republic of Ireland
Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 9:44 pm Post subject:
I see nothing wrong in charging £2 for something as useful as the speed camera locations. On the other hand, the cameras don't really change all that much from one month to the next. A few added here and a few moved from one location to another. I think if the charge goes ahead, very few people will actually download the updated cameras on a monthly basis. Maybe once every 4-6 months would be more realistic.
I think that as most of the cameras are submitted by people that download the database each month, you will be charging them for their contribution. If the cameras were not submitted each month by people, there would be no update to download. I can't imagine that £2 would be a reasonable fee just to compile the user submitted info into a GPS compatible file. Surely its not that time consuming?
The only sure way to know if this 'charge' is going to work is to try it. Then you can choose whether to do it for free again, or not.
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