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Joined: 11/07/2002 14:36:40 Posts: 23848 Location: Hampshire, UK
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2005 1:12 pm Post subject: Talex launch new UK GPS Safety Camera Detector
We've just received a Talex Gatso detector for review.
Talex are new players in the GPS based SCD arena and first impressions of their system are excellent, the unit is small, well designed and has clear voice alerts. The unit comes with 6 months subscription to the locations database and additional 12month subscriptions costs a bargain £29.
With the forthcoming legislation that will ban all 'active' detection devices i.e. those that use radar or laser detection systems, GPS will be the only method that remains legal and is explicitly allowed for by the new legislation. The Talex system meets these requirements.
We'll be testing the system over the next few weeks and measuring the accuracy of its database, in the meantime more information can be found at Talex's Website.
UPDATE:
The review is now complete and can be found here. _________________ Darren Griffin
Last edited by Darren on Tue Apr 26, 2005 5:28 pm; edited 1 time in total
Joined: 12/09/2002 14:25:05 Posts: 141 Location: Hampshire, United Kingdom
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2005 5:05 pm Post subject: Re: Talex launch new UK GPS Safety Camera Detector
Darren wrote:
With the forthcoming legislation that will ban all 'active' detection devices i.e. those that use radar or laser detection systems, GPS will be the only method that remains legal
Are you sure about this? I know that some legislation has been mooted in this area, but it's far from a forgone conclusion. I don't think that it's even at the White Paper stage. With a General Election very likely in May or thereabouts, all prospective legislation currently going through the books will be nullified and would have to start its journey through the Commons and Lords again.
Personally, I think that if anything is going to render active radar/laser detectors obsolete, it will be channges to speed detection technology. They are already useless against Truvelo, SPECS, etc. (though I still wouldn't be without my Valentine One!) _________________ Philip
Joined: 11/07/2002 14:36:40 Posts: 23848 Location: Hampshire, UK
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2005 5:18 pm Post subject:
The DfT originally claimed its Road Safety Bill could be in force by Summer 2005 but recently refused to commit to a time scale.
However the Government have declared their intention to close the loophole that allows the sale and use of radar and laser detectors and it is reasonable to expect that should the current Government retain power following the General Election then they will have their wish.
I've lost the reference page but this was the content of their statement:
Quote:
"The intention is to ban the jammers and detectors through legislation in a Road Safety Bill. It is proposed that the Bill will contain prospective powers for the Secretary of State to make an order prescribing what would be illegal to carry and use in a vehicle."
"The speed enforcement detectors and diffusers undermine the use of all speed enforcement equipment. Their use allows drivers to believe they can speed unless alerted to the presence of speed enforcement. That would run the very real risk of reversing the trend in reducing those killed or seriously injured on our roads resulting in economic costs to the community."
"Should legislation be brought in, the road safety benefits are clear. The existing GPS systems can contain information including the location of all approved speed camera sites in the country and the speed limits that apply there. Providing this information to drivers can only improve the prospects of drivers amending their speeds in order to comply with limits at or near camera sites.
What these systems cannot do is detect the presence of a speed enforcement device as one is approached. This means that the police can retain the ability to enforce speed limits as a normal part of their traffic duties. We do not know how many SEDDs [speed enforcement detection devices] have been sold or are likely to be sold. We are confident that very few diffusers are now being sold. They have been found to be unreliable in comparison to the GPS systems."
"There is no difficulty with drivers carrying in their vehicles devices that inform them of the location of fixed safety cameras and cameras operating from mobile units. These have the same intention as the signing, visibility and conspicuity rules that form part of the financial scheme under which most cameras are placed. These devices operate currently under Global Positional Systems (GPS). They work by keeping the position of cameras up to date on a computer and identifying where they are in relation to a vehicle by use of a satellite. There is no intention to ban these.
"There are two other types of devices that we are seeking to ban. The first is the jammers. These devices prevent cameras from working by deflecting the beam issued by the camera equipment or preventing the beam from emitting. They are particularly dangerous in that they prevent speed enforcement cameras from operating and therefore allowing drivers to continue to speed past the camera site. Also contained within this definition are those sprays, materials, etc that obstruct the view of a number plate.
"We are also seeking to ban the carriage of radar detectors. These identify where cameras are by sending out a radar beam that detects the signal emitted by the camera equipment. There are two problems with these -
They can set off non-camera equipment such as automatic doors and may interfere with satellite TV
More importantly, the police have genuine concerns about the use of detectors. In addition to camera deployment within the safety camera cost recovery scheme the police also undertake covert activity and speed limit enforcement as part of their normal traffic duties. The fact that these devices can detect both covert camera activity and non-camera/cost recovery laser/radar guns could seriously effect their ability to enforce speed limits as part of their normal traffic duties."
Joined: Feb 20, 2004 Posts: 1154 Location: South Lancashire, UK
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2005 9:47 pm Post subject:
The Road Safety Bill was introduced in the House of Commons on 30th November 2004.
There is a HTML version of the full bill here
The bill seeks to amend Section 41 of Part II of the Construction and Use of Vehicles and Equipment in the Road Traffic Act 1988 (c. 52)
The additions to The Act are in bold type:
Quote:
Part II
Construction and Use of Vehicles and Equipment
General regulation of construction, use etc.
41.—(1) The Secretary of State may make regulations generally as to the use of motor vehicles and trailers on roads, their construction and equipment and the conditions under which they may be so used.
Subsections (2) to (4) below do not affect the generality of this subsection.
(2) In particular, the regulations may make provision with respect to any of the following matters—
(a) the width, height and length of motor vehicles and trailers and the load carried by them, the diameter of wheels, and the width, nature and condition of tyres, of motor vehicles and trailers,
(b) the emission or consumption of smoke, fumes or vapour and the emission of sparks, ashes and grit,
(c) noise,
(d) the maximum weight unladen of heavy locomotives and heavy motor cars, and the maximum weight laden of motor vehicles and trailers, and the maximum weight to be transmitted to the road or any specified area of the road by a motor vehicle or trailer of any class or by any part or parts of such a vehicle or trailer in contact with the road, and the conditions under which the weights may be required to be tested,
(e) the particulars to be marked on motor vehicles and trailers,
(f) the towing of or drawing of vehicles by motor vehicles,
(g) the number and nature of brakes, and for securing that brakes, silencers and steering gear are efficient and kept in proper working order,
(h) lighting equipment and reflectors,
(j) the testing and inspection, by persons authorised by or under the regulations, of the brakes, silencers, steering gear, tyres, lighting equipment and reflectors of motor vehicles and trailers on any premises where they are (if the owner of the premises consents),
(k) the appliances to be fitted for—
(i) signalling the approach of a motor vehicle, or
(ii) enabling the driver of a motor vehicle to become aware of the approach of another vehicle from the rear, or
(iii) intimating any intended change of speed or direction of a motor vehicle,
and the use of any such appliance, and for securing that any such appliance is efficient and kept in proper working order,
(l) for prohibiting the use of appliances fitted to motor vehicles for signalling their approach, being appliances for signalling by sound, at any times, or on or in any roads or localities, specified in the regulations.
(m) speed assessment equipment detection devices.
(7) In this Part of this Act—
"construction and use requirements" means requirements, whether applicable generally or at specified times or in specified circumstances, imposed under this section,
"plated particulars" means such particulars as are required to be marked on a goods vehicle in pursuance of regulations under this section by means of a plate,
"plated weights" means such weights as are required to be so marked.
“speed assessment equipment detection device” means a device for the purpose, or one of the purposes , of which is to detect or interfere with the operation of, equipment used to assess the speed of motor vehicles.
So the amendment is to specifically target devices whose purpose is to detect or interfere with the operation of, equipment used to assess the speed of motor vehicles. _________________ Ian.
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Joined: May 11, 2004 Posts: 82 Location: Birmingham, U.K.
Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 3:06 pm Post subject:
If you already have a radar speed trap detector, how are the police going to enforce it?
As far as i am aware, there is no way of detecting if a vehicle has one of these devices on board. Most of the top line devices have 'stealth' technology as they put it, which, even if the police authority did decide to bring out a device, whereby they could determine if a vehicle was using such a detector, it would still remain 'invisible' to detection.
Whilst i am against speeding, it is very easy to get caught out, especially if your travelling to a place you've never been before. Basically i just see it as removing a barrier so the police can get even more money out of the hard done by motorist.
Joined: 11/07/2002 14:36:40 Posts: 23848 Location: Hampshire, UK
Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 3:15 pm Post subject:
Simply put, they won't bother trying to 'detect' the detectors. All they will do as they did previously and as they do in other countries where thet are unlawful is confiscate them if they observe them or otherwise discover them during the course of a stop.
TBH, radar is a waste of time these days, laser is the one used more often than not by mobile patrols and it's next to impossible to detect in enough time to react. _________________ Darren Griffin
I don't profess to know exactly how the laser jammers work, but it's been talked about on a number of Speed Camera Review websites recently. For mobile sites where you have a Safety Camera team sitting outside with a mobie camera, they're recording all the time, so if a car passes with a jammer, and when they get back to base it hasn't taken a photo they then flag up the registration numbers in a database and if there are multiple incidents of this occuring you'll get a court summons. So for mobile cameras it would seem they probably record constant video or 1fps or something like that.
Gatso's and Truvello's is a bit different. Either way it is illegal to use a jammer and will soon be illegal to operate and use a radar detector, but it won't be illegal to operate and use a GPS Gatso Database Device.
Someone needs a lesson on taking screenshots. It looks like they've been resized or something. Can we please have some non resized screenshots in future please. I'm sure the phone isn't that blurry in real life.
Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 1:29 am Post subject: Talex Lite
I have had the Talex Lite system for about 4 months now and have found it excellent value for money.
At just £79 via Auto Express and £49 for 3 years worth of updates it has proved invaluable.
It s very basic but has all the necessary details - my only criticism is the "bloody" female voice its just like listening to 'her indoors' telling me how to drive
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